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by joanro on 13 July 2017 - 15:07

The 'best' to one may not be 'the best' for some one else. Same as the 'pick' of the litter for one person may not be the 'pick' for some one else. As for what constitutes the 'best' breeding animal, it's all about selection ... Two siblings with very different characteristics would be 'selected' by breeders with different goals; as example, sport vs s&r.

As for , 'good females are never sold' it depends on who owns her. High volume puppy sellers will sell very good females while she still has 'value'...ie enough eggs to produce one more litter rather than being 'stuck' with a used up bitch with no monetary value.

'Breeders' who buy these old, but quality brood bitches add them to their reportior of 'import pink papers' in order to catch the eye of nieve shoppers. Same thing when these breeders add 'import pink papers' with adult, titled 'new stock'....it's all about sale pitch and separating money from the  ' unsuspecting ' ( whatever that means) public.


kitkat3478

by kitkat3478 on 13 July 2017 - 15:07

An imagei would have loved to keep this pup, but I already kept my Bomber Boink and a young girl from last years pups. Weplanning to start IPO this next month ( we started not with the trainer yet, we going just for fun)An image


kitkat3478

by kitkat3478 on 13 July 2017 - 15:07

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kitkat3478

by kitkat3478 on 13 July 2017 - 15:07

Exactly joan

by Bavarian Wagon on 13 July 2017 - 15:07

Everything in the United States is a sales pitch…tugging at people’s heart strings with claims of how much more one loves their dogs than someone else, or raising/keeping dogs in the house to show people that the dogs “can be house dogs” while bashing kennel dogs and claiming that raising a dog in a kennel is wrong, selling a “consistent line” that is mediocre at best just to claim a 3, 4, 5+ generation breeding program, and pretty much everything else that involves telling stories rather than proving the work with objective information rather than anecdotal data is a sales pitch.

It’s not a crime and it’s not wrong to do something different than someone else, and if you can show results and compare your dogs to theirs and prove to be better…there’s nothing wrong with it at all.

In general…when one breeder sells a titled/proven female it’s because that female doesn’t meet their standard for whatever reason. So when another breeder purchases that dog and starts breeding her…it screams lower standards to me, and that’s usually the truth, the differences in the overall quality of dogs from Europe (the usual seller) and the United States (the usual buyer) have proven that over time. This is what susie is talking about.

Jenni78

by Jenni78 on 13 July 2017 - 16:07

Dear Lord....

I never considered myself a total optimist, but I guess I must have abysmally low standards or I've been really fortunate. Granted, I have PAID for the quality I wanted, but still, things are just not that bad. I know many people selling nice dogs for good reasons, no dirty secrets. I just sold (cheaply, more like placed) a wonderful imported 5yr old female w/zero issues unless you count stealing dirty dishes out of the sink. Why did I place her when she's a super breeding female and a strong worker? Because I had an opportunity to buy her brother and I won't be breeding her to her brother, so that coupled with the fact that my older female with cancer and one kidney despises her and would like her dead, it just made sense to sell her to a friend where she can live the pampered pet life and still get worked for fun (or finish off her titles, maybe). This was a really really nice bitch that several breeders who had met or worked her offered to buy. Nothing in the world wrong with her except I didn't have the heart to turn a house dog into a kennel dog just to keep her for an occasional outside breeding. Why should her lifestyle change for the worse if it could stay the same or even improve (lack of need to rotate) elsewhere? If it was about money or getting rid of a problem dog, I'd have placed or put down the one with cancer who wants to kill her. The 5yr old is healthy as a horse and has a few litters left at least.

Another story- big name breeder dying of cancer. Doesn't want to sell his dogs until he has to. Will they all suck when they're put up for sale just because they're put up for sale?

How about selling a dog you know has more potential than you can do justice to at a particular time? I spend most of my free time at children's sporting events. Should I keep this awesome 4.5 month old I have here just because I love him? Or should I send him where he will be used for a higher purpose and likely be happier with a real job and a loving family? There are infinite good reasons to sell a perfectly good dog, even the "best" dog, just as there are many people covering flaws and selling problems. Lucked out on this one; going to a previous buyer who just lost her dog and who will train and title him, locally. Win-win.

I agree with Joan also on the "best" idea- there are super dogs that don't have what I am looking for and someone else might be looking for exactly that for a particular pairing.

I agree w/BE that I have also kept dogs from litters just to see how they matured and then sold them to suitable homes. This is necessary to make good decisions for the next generation. I sometimes want to see for myself what they are like, not just take other owners' words. Do I need 2-3 littermates? Of course not. Even if they're super, I'm not keeping them all.

I have seen wonderfully-kept kennel dogs. I have seen happy dogs who are chained instead of kenneled. I have seen people call a dog a "house dog" or brag about a lack of kennel when in fact their dogs are caged in the basement and aren't even housebroken. Way too much judgment about keeping or selling, house or kennel.

BlackMalinois

by BlackMalinois on 13 July 2017 - 16:07


Good post Joan !!!

susie

by susie on 13 July 2017 - 21:07

None of you ( BW the exception to the rule - thank you, BW ) gets my point.

I´ll try it again:

In case a show line dog is for sale, advertised as "outstanding show dog, SG1, SG2 rated " in almost all cases ( yes, Joanro, there may be a breeder dying of cancer ) this dog achieved its ratings on not 2,. but 3. class local shows, without any real competition, and the breeder/owner pretty well knows this "show dog" won´t have a chance on a big event... A SG 40 dog from the Siegershow over here is a "dead stud", whereas somewhere else this dog suddenly becomes "outstanding", able to win the National show event...

In case a working line dog is for sale, trained, but not titled; titled, but only IPO1; IPO3, but not breed surveyed, even high scores in IPO3, but locally only, in almost all cases this dog is not able to compete further on ( strange helper, strange field, messed up in tracking and/or obedience, not able to breed survey, whatever you like ).

A young "prooven" brood bitch, younger than 4 years - either this bitch does have problems during whelping,getting pregnant, or the breeder was totally dissatisfied with the result of the first litter... -
back to the breeder dying of cancer - did all of you find this guy?

It´s very interesting to see how Americans are defending my German landsmen, although I know them, their dogs, and the reasons for sale personally...

Jenni78

by Jenni78 on 13 July 2017 - 23:07

Where did you say you were only speaking of/for Germans, Susie?

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Fantom76 (admin)

by Fantom76 on 14 July 2017 - 00:07

If you all just offered your good advice without all the snide comments, PDB would have much better forums. I do not understand why some of you feel that you have to berate each other. Is that the only enjoyment that you get in life? If so.. then you need to get a new life.
This is why I seldom read the forums.





 


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