Is titling / breed surveying a GSD really useless? - Page 19

Here's a picture of the book for you, Mr auzzy, help you locate it on line....

Herding died down (not out) in Germany 100 years ago - well its back all around the world in more demand than ever, for a variety of reasons I won't go into.

You have to post an old book cover now for excuses.

Never seen the pic but apparently von steph faked a photo of the gsd herding in new Zealand, shows the fraud nature if the guy.

No, the picture of the book is not an excuse, but a teaching aid for you.

Crime is higher now than ever before in the USA, so the need for a protective gsd is greater than ever...drugs are coming through the borders at a rate higher than ever, so detection dogs are needed more than ever, etc. Haven't seen any BC being used for dual purpose, suppose they exist, but not so much to create a demand for them in le. Get it?
Gsd has never been able to start a bc when it comes to herding, and likewise, the bc your home boys are peddling around the world cant start a gsd for family protection.

They are not BC and they are meeting a demand for quality dogs that have displaced the gsd for its primary function.

There are in fact niches in general herding operations that are not suited to BC, natural fit for the traditional gsd actually.

 

The family protection thing is 99.99% BS that gsd breeders peddle. Typical pound dog here is a better home protector than most gsd on the planet on average (thats why they are in the pound), individual results may vary.

BC was used as an example breed... Doesn't matter what breed, Kelpy, heeler, whatever.

Gsd is still versatile, it can do what your dogs can do, but can your dogs do what the gsd can do?

You're getting off the track, big league.

Yeah gsd can do what the average practical BC or other herding breed can do - SAID NO EXTENSIVE RANCHER EVER

Pages of OT to prove ....nothing!!

This thread was NOT to claim that NO GSDs will be able to be trained for work unless the dog comes from all titled parents for generations.

But, without the minimum requirements of titling/breed surveying dogs prior to breeding, thousands BYBs/puppy mills are producing tens of thousands of dogs worldwide (and registering them as GSDs) and these dogs are not going to be able to be trained for any kind of work.

Right now for a buyer, good breeders are not distinguishable from these BYBs, because both groups do NOT title their dogs, both groups claim the same shit about their dogs' greatness, and both groups don't bother to provide any proof of their dogs' greatness evaluated by a neutral third party.

But, with introduction of compulsory titling/breed surveying, most of these BYBs will go out of business.

Shits will still be produced, but in lesser numbers, and then again these shit dogs will be screened out in the next evaluation process.

Really don't understand why it's so hard to comprehend!!

The question was: why can't the gsd breed retain breed specific workabily without having straight down the ped working titles the way breeds like the Smooth Fox terrier and mix breed huskies...it was a question,genious, not proof!
Now, can you, with all your perfection, answer that? I won't be holding my breath, because I think this question is over the head of all of you gsd gestapos. None of you can respond to anything without whining about anyone who is not in lock step with you. Plus, you can't find the answer in your ipo rulebook.

Well the op has explained the thread 3 times because duke and Joan completely ignored it and switched into their standard defence of their own breeding practices even tho the op is about a different topic.

VK, I asked you a valid question in this matter two pages back

you said ;In fact I can test a dozen puppies for herding instinct in less time than it takes to put on a bite suit

 

my question was ;dont you think they need to be titled in herding to see if they are any good