Is titling / breed surveying a GSD really useless? - Page 12

Joan...I'm talking about passing off videos of mediocre training and work as something amazing, not passing off the trained dog. Too many people will show a video and because the average person doesn't have anything to compare it to...they think it's great. Gustav talked about training a dog...without standards for training, the layman gets amazed with anything above and beyond a sit/down/stay. A biting dog? AMAZING! That's the biggest problem with "just training."

'Passing off videos of mediocre training as amazing' to people who 'don't know any better' is moot because those people are most likely watching for 'entertainment' anyway.

Like airplaining a dog with munchy grips is meant to be 'amazing', to 'people who don't know any better'.

I think Gustav is not talking about 'mediocre' training, but training to bring out the best in a dog....not something to be evaluated in a short clip in a brief moment in the life of a dog.

I know what he's talking about and you're pretty far off. I'll let him explain it to you though.

I know exactly what he meant, and it wasn't about watching videos to learn about a dog.

I don´t get it - nobody questions there are good breeders and good dogs in the States, but they are the minority.

40.000 GSD AKC registrations / year in your country? - and that´s only the registrations, not the total amount of dogs bred ( everybody is free to register or not in your country, even in case the breeder only registers one puppy out of a litter of ten... )

How many working trials in May 2017 only ? GSDCA, USCA, AWDF, all of them combined? Even Ringsport, American whatever... For comparison only

Germany registered within SV around 10.000 puppies last year ( every SV registered GSD puppy, not only some of them )

We will have 344 working trials in May of this year in SV only ( PLUS DVG maybe 100 or more, followed by all the other breed clubs, like Boxer Club, Dobermann Club, Malinois Club, ....... and some RSV2000 trials ).

You are special, you are NOT the norm, take a look at the numbers. You can´t deny that.

Not registered "working groups" ? We do have them, too, no big deal.

I don´t want to blame your country, I don´t want to blame you, I just want to make people aware, the more they learn while training a dog, the better the chance to know how to evaluate the next dog / breeding prospect.

Good for the breed - good for the owner - good for the dogs

Dude... Germany fits into the size of Texas and you still have mass to fill. Demography matters. Whether you like it or not.

Take Europe if you want, the numbers don´t change.
You could take the inhabitants and devide them through the seize of the country - doesn´t matter.
Americans as a whole are not interested in working dog sports, like it or not.

I don´t get your problem, Bärenfang, there is almost no American Football over here.... Sometimes reality sucks. I´d like to watch Baseball in my country, but nobody cares.

The point is that the genepool is small. There are only so many dogs in one region and you either have to buy frozen from the other side of the country or import. There are only so many trials in your region and even for those you travel three plus hours.

You can't frickin compare Germany, that isn't even the size of ONE state in the US to the US when it comes to trials. You just can't. Clubs are closed most of the time. They are on private property. The rules are significantly different from German Clubs.

Susie, be happy you live in Germany and not the USA. Your rules are locked in for many decades...government over private citizens. Here in the USA, we still have some semblance of freedom, without government-like control over our dogs.
I have seen you make these same complaints about the USA for years now...hopefully we remain free from government type oversight of our personally owned and kept dogs. Everyone is free to purchase from where they choose, here. People can buy 'BIGBONE', 'RARE', 'GIANT', 'OLDTYMEY', or whatever. They get to choose and it's their choice, no one else. You're beating your head against the wall if you think you will get Americans to go gaga over IPO. They are too busy going to Soccer games with the kiddos.