Help with German color translation - Page 2

Here she is on PDB;

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=2603656-adelheid-von-der-schlucht

And here on my database (easier to see the colors):

Sire Line:

Dam Line:

Steel blue - born in 1920...

Hi Susie - we now know this thred is discussing a GSD born in 1920; but I am curious about exactly what the SV puts (or used to put ?) on the paperwork for dogs with faulty colouration ? I have never seen a German pedigree for an 'off' colour; frankly I thought registration with the club, at least if not the VDH, would have been refused ?

That's an interesting question-There are no listed abbreviations for off colors-on the other hand EVERY puppy out of a litter bred according to the SV rules has to get pedigrees. . .I, too, haven't seen this happen.

I guess in case the breedwarden realizes a major fault the pup will be registered in the "not suitable for breeding" section. Later on any undetected dogs will be weeded out - no show result = no breeding.

TY. Any way to find out if the animal in question here was listed as "not for breeding", at that time ? And do we know if it was bred from anyway ?
(Sorry everyone, my curiosity has been piqued now, I feel the 'need' to know more !)

 I have one offspring listed that was imported into the AKC:

You'd need to check the old breed books-but for what?
In 1920 the breed was still very young, even white wasn't forbidden officially during that time.
I am not able to find listed off spring out of the dam, so even in case they used her for breeding, the line vanished.
No doubt why

Here is a list of GSDs known to carry blue, liver, or white.
http://www.angelfire.com/wi/birkenbaum/blueliverwclistupdated.html

If you have or know of any blue, liver, or white dogs or carriers of blue, liver, or white to add to this list, please send the name and number of the dog and as much pedigree info as you have to GSDGenes (at) gmail (dot) com. Please send ONLY dog info, thanks.

Blue, liver, and white have been in the breed since the breed was first developed. In the early days of the breed, you saw all sorts of colors and color combinations being listed in the studbook. Brindle too, was common in the early days of the breed but is rare. It is genetically dominant and can occasionally occur in GSDs.

Many famous GSDs are/were carriers of blue, liver, white, or two or all 3 of these colors.

Blue and liver pigments are genetically recessive to black PIGMENT. Don't confuse this with a dog's PATTERN (agouti/sable/gray, black and tan/red/cream/silver. Solid black (or blue or liver) is genetically recessive to both of these color patterns. Solid white is on a separate locus from that of the other colors/patterns. Solid white is a recessive that causes the dog's genetic color and pattern to be masked, so that the dog appears to be a white dog. However if you breed that white dog to a colored dog, the colored progeny may reveal what the white dog's genetic colors and pattern actually is. Many white dogs whose genetic marking colors are tan or red, will have a tan to red tinge in the white coat, the dog will be an off white, some even appearing almost orange. White dogs who genetically have cream or silver markings, will be whiter whites.

Came across another color code that I have no idea what it would translate to:

Grell (von Sommerhausen) SZ71091
Color: g mit rb

Tan with reddish brown maybe?

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance!
Julie

Sounds good to me.