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susie

by susie on 12 November 2016 - 21:11

"Assembling a genetic base to get an average increase in quality going forward" would be my choice...
One "great" dog doesn´t change the genepool ( what about the others? ), and "uniformity" doesn´t implement quality.

Noitsyou, good response about different sex...Thumbs Up


by vk4gsd on 12 November 2016 - 21:11

I mention uniformity because I know breeders that take great pride in having all pups pretty much equal even if that means no outstanding dogs. That way they gain credibility as a breeder. Seems to be more important amongst practical working dogs ie not gsd's where its about famous dog syndrome.


by Swarnendu on 12 November 2016 - 21:11

""Assembling a genetic base to get an average increase in quality going forward" would be my choice..." - Yes, but, you don't have a too broad canvas to play with. And, further weeding out defects, though necessary, also causes further shrinking of the gene pool.

"One "great" dog doesn´t change the genepool ( what about the others? )" -- Yes it affects the gene pool, with everyone running after that "great" dog. But "one great dog" IS the "lifetime achievement award" for any breeder.

"and "uniformity" doesn´t implement quality." -- true, but that's the requirement for a BREED.

by vk4gsd on 12 November 2016 - 22:11

Well when I said uniformity I did not imply uniformly low quality. That needed qualifying?

By definition of breeding to a standard then a breed like gsd with 100+ years of closed breeding from an initially tiny gene pool I would have expected a higher degree of uniformity instead of several sub-breeds with little in common and extreme variability in type and quality.

 

Life time achievement could also be consistent performance and quality over decades without a single famous dog.
 


susie

by susie on 12 November 2016 - 22:11

You can´t base a breed on one "great" dog only, whom do you want to breed the 2. generation to?
"Uniformity" - even a mediocre litter may be "uniform".
I am more interested in the breed as a whole, not that much in achievements - but that´s just me.


by vk4gsd on 12 November 2016 - 22:11

You can´t base a breed on one "great" dog only,"

Have you seen many gsd pedigrees?

by vk4gsd on 12 November 2016 - 22:11

Uniformity in a litter means small deviation from the average. The average can itself be high or low compared to the breed.

susie

by susie on 12 November 2016 - 22:11

Vk, just read your last post...

you said "uniform litter", not "uniform breed", that´s a major difference.

You are right, it´s a shame we do have various interpretations of the German Shepherd Dog breed ( same with almost all other breeds, but that doesn´t justify faulty decisions ).

by Swarnendu on 12 November 2016 - 22:11

"Noitsyou, good response about different sex..." -- If it's not confidential, could you share that please?

"Life time achievement could also be consistent performance and quality over decades without a single famous dog" -- agreed, but a breeder producing one single famous dog will also be a consistent producer of good dogs, unless that great dog was a fluke.

But, I basically agree with BOTH of you. So, "IDK, maybe all of them?"

by vk4gsd on 12 November 2016 - 22:11

breeds actually started by part location and mostly displayed behavioural traits. Written standards judged almost exclusively on type is a modern concept that has only been around for a short time and had nothing to do with how working breeds started. Its a hijacked version of the breed concept.

 

The following is not always true, in fact I think it is often false along with it's converse;

 

"a breeder producing one single famous dog will also be a consistent producer of good dogs, ..."

 

In fact most great dogs are not recognized as such in their own time until they have produced producers.

 






 


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