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by susie on 12 November 2016 - 21:11
"Assembling a genetic base to get an average increase in quality going forward" would be my choice...
One "great" dog doesn´t change the genepool ( what about the others? ), and "uniformity" doesn´t implement quality.
Noitsyou, good response about different sex...
by vk4gsd on 12 November 2016 - 21:11
I mention uniformity because I know breeders that take great pride in having all pups pretty much equal even if that means no outstanding dogs. That way they gain credibility as a breeder. Seems to be more important amongst practical working dogs ie not gsd's where its about famous dog syndrome.
by Swarnendu on 12 November 2016 - 21:11
"One "great" dog doesn´t change the genepool ( what about the others? )" -- Yes it affects the gene pool, with everyone running after that "great" dog. But "one great dog" IS the "lifetime achievement award" for any breeder.
"and "uniformity" doesn´t implement quality." -- true, but that's the requirement for a BREED.
by vk4gsd on 12 November 2016 - 22:11
Well when I said uniformity I did not imply uniformly low quality. That needed qualifying?
By definition of breeding to a standard then a breed like gsd with 100+ years of closed breeding from an initially tiny gene pool I would have expected a higher degree of uniformity instead of several sub-breeds with little in common and extreme variability in type and quality.
Life time achievement could also be consistent performance and quality over decades without a single famous dog.
by susie on 12 November 2016 - 22:11
"Uniformity" - even a mediocre litter may be "uniform".
I am more interested in the breed as a whole, not that much in achievements - but that´s just me.
by vk4gsd on 12 November 2016 - 22:11
Have you seen many gsd pedigrees?
by vk4gsd on 12 November 2016 - 22:11
by susie on 12 November 2016 - 22:11
you said "uniform litter", not "uniform breed", that´s a major difference.
You are right, it´s a shame we do have various interpretations of the German Shepherd Dog breed ( same with almost all other breeds, but that doesn´t justify faulty decisions ).
by Swarnendu on 12 November 2016 - 22:11
"Life time achievement could also be consistent performance and quality over decades without a single famous dog" -- agreed, but a breeder producing one single famous dog will also be a consistent producer of good dogs, unless that great dog was a fluke.
But, I basically agree with BOTH of you. So, "IDK, maybe all of them?"
by vk4gsd on 12 November 2016 - 22:11
breeds actually started by part location and mostly displayed behavioural traits. Written standards judged almost exclusively on type is a modern concept that has only been around for a short time and had nothing to do with how working breeds started. Its a hijacked version of the breed concept.
The following is not always true, in fact I think it is often false along with it's converse;
"a breeder producing one single famous dog will also be a consistent producer of good dogs, ..."
In fact most great dogs are not recognized as such in their own time until they have produced producers.
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