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by Baboo on 23 April 2016 - 13:04

We recently lost our Husky/Shepherd mix of 12 years and are ready to bring a new companion in to our home. After doing research, we believe the GSD to be the best match for our lifestyle. So...we began looking for GSD puppies and were then exposed to the world if GSD breeding. Needless to say, we are new to buying a GSD (our last dog was a rescue). So, we are struggling with how to know if a breeder, and their dogs, are legit and worth the money.

To that end, any suggestions on how to verify breeder quality would be great. More specifically, we are looking at buying from HausBeck in PA and we were wondering if anyone has any experience with them?

Thanks, in advance, for any help!

Q Man

by Q Man on 23 April 2016 - 13:04

I don't know them but I did just look at their web-site and they seem to specialize in "Coated" German Shepherds...Is that what you're looking for?
Maybe you could tell us a bit of what you're wanting a German Shepherd for...Pet...Home Protection...Sport...etc?
And what experience you have with them other then your dog that you lost...I mean do you have any experience in training or anything else that might give us some information on what you have done with a larger breed...

~Bob~

by Baboo on 23 April 2016 - 15:04

Hi Bob - Thanks for asking. We are specifically looking for a coated (long-hair) GSD....we just like that look. As far as why we have chosen a GSD...we are looking for a family pet - plain and simple. While my wife is interested in maybe doing agility, it is really about the dog being a family pet. We chose the GSD because we thought, after doing research, it best fit our lifestyle. Specifically, a dog who like a lot of exercise so we can jog, walk, rollerblade with her, but is also fine in the house when we are doing that. We were attracted to the fact the GSDs want to be with you when you are home, and not hanging out in the back yard. We do have a yard...we just liked the aspect of the GSD that they would prefer to be with their owners...making them good for apartments or homes, should our living situation ever change.

As far as our experience with training and/ or larger breeds goes, it is only with our previous dog (who was 65 lbs, fyi). We worked with her and she was very responsive, up to the point that her, very strong, Husky prey drive would kick in. But she was responsive to sit, stay, heel, come, and down...which was really all we felt we needed.  She was a dog we never let off leash except in inclosed areas.

My one concern about GSDs, relative to our lifestyle, is that we really like to be social with our dog.  We liked to take her to resaurants that have patios and to friends house (if they would let us), to our in-laws, etc.  I can't tell, based on what I have read and on what people have told me about the breed, if the GSD is good for that or if their strong connection to their owner and their protection instinct would make that lifestyle difficult, if not impossibile.

Again, thanks for offering insight...and anything else I can tell you I am happy to share.

PS - we do not currently have any children, but have just begun trying, so we hope to have one in the next year or two.

 


Markobytes

by Markobytes on 23 April 2016 - 15:04

The founders of the breed created an organization and a system of breed surveys to prove individual dog breed worthiness and that organization still exists today. Before a dog was bred it had to have conformation titles ( the prefix to a dog's name) and working titles ( the sufix to a dog's name) and if the working title was not a herding title (HGH), it should have passed a 12 mile endurance test (AD). Today the dog also has to have passing hip and elbow dysplasia certification and DNA testing before it is taken to a breed survey. Once the dog has achieved all this it is brought before a special breed judge ( koermeister), for it's breed survey (koer). Every bit of the dog is scrutinized from every tooth in it's head to the tip of it's tail, it's temperament and working ability are tested. After the dog has passed these tests it is given a breed survey (the KKL suffix to a dog's name). Having a breed survey is not a guarantee the dog or breeder is good just as not having one is not an indictment against the breeder. If you are located in Pennsylvania you have good breeders within driving distance and you have many puppy mills. To me a good breeder does something with their dogs, you want to see the accomplishments of the parents of the litter, lesser breeders will tout the grandparents. A breeder should understand what is going on in the dog's head as well as it's structure to know what they are creating. A breeder should not be all over the place in types of dogs unless they really know what they are doing. Glamour shots of a dog herding sheep or biting a sleeve do not prove working ability or knowledge of a breeder. You have within driving distance breeders who title their dogs in working venues as well as conformation. Hip and elbow certification for dysplasia should be a must although the conditions are probably as much influenced by the environment as much as genetics. Don't believe any breeder that tells you that their dogs are clear of Degenerative Mylopathy, DM. Even though the test says clear, dogs that are clear have produced DM. check out the threads on this site to learn more about DM. There are good breeders out there who do not test for DM and don't have a problem with the disease.
The reason I bored you with the breed survey system is that the breeder you are looking at has dogs from West German conformation lines. These dogs are supposed to be bred by those standards and if you look at the pedigrees of their dogs, the grandparents back went through the system. This breeder stopped abiding by these standards. You have top breeders within driving distance that abide by these standards, expect to pay $2,500-$3,500, unproven dogs from these lines should, should go for less than $1,500. The long coat gene is recessive and if you are looking for a long coat, any reputable breeder in these lines produce long coated pups. Good luck, this is a great breed. I don't know anything about this breeder in particular. They do not give you breeding rights which to me sends the signal that they are insecure that you will do the same thing as them and be competition. If your dog has pups, they won't be granted registration. I would also stick with AKC registerd dogs. A UKC registration is a red flag to me that the dogs are of dubious lineage or that the breeder has been banned by the AKC.

by Baboo on 23 April 2016 - 16:04

Hey Markobytes -

Thanks for taking the time to respond.  That is great information!

A couple of things (for you or anyone else reading this). We live in Massachusetts (we were just gonna drive down to PA for the pooch).

Second..the particular dog I am looking at is actually not one of HauseBeck's, but a half-sibling of one of her dogs from a breeder in Texas who Kimberly, the owner of HausBeck, shows with  - here is pedigree of the puppy we are looking at.

I am being asked $2500 for this puppy (pedigree above)...

Our other constraint is that we are looking for a dog sooner rather than later, as we would like to have the dog be one year old before we have a baby.  Otherwise, there is a pair (Cardinal & Rose) at Candlehill, in Idaho, that we were very interested in...but their pups will not be available until Sept.


Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 23 April 2016 - 17:04

I'd be real careful about the name of this kennel and
why it was chosen; there was a famous German kennel
called 'Haus Beck', I do not believe the two are connected.

by hexe on 24 April 2016 - 05:04

You should be able to find what you're seeking without having to leave New England, to be frank. There are a number of good breeders of the European-line dogs [both show lines and working lines] in that geographic area.

One caution: AVOID Griffin Shepherd Kennels and Augusto DeOliveira like the plague. The likelihood of ending up with a disaster on your hands is far too high.


by KETCAT on 24 April 2016 - 10:04

I have to respond with my opinion.Candle Hill is one of the finest Kennels you will find. Elizabeth titles her dog's and has a 5 star reputation.
She will back up the genetics and health of her dogs for her dogs.Candlehill will be their 24/7 for as long as you have your pup,offering advice/training tip's.
It would be so worth you going to Candlehill and wait a few months for a great puppy that make's it well worth your wait.
I have seen that UKC will register pups sold on limited AKC reg. again just an opinion.
Do your homework,a puppy from Candle hill is worth the wait!


by vk4gsd on 24 April 2016 - 10:04

4 males and 10 females, yikes... that's a lot of dogs to train. I don't understand what those titles are, anyone decipher??

Idaho was hell on earth for dogs at one point, the whole state should have been nuked.

clee27

by clee27 on 24 April 2016 - 11:04

Mostly OB type titles, and I think you may be thinking of Ohio instead of Idaho.

Jennifer





 


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