Successful working dog breeder interview - Page 3

I did start on the same road ( "real world scenarios - a lot of fun for owner and dog" - and sometimes good for some money ), no difference between the two of us - but during the years I learned that a dog doesn´t interpret itself about bitework/streetwork only, that´s a very small piece of the cake.
Take a normal/good dog and try to train and title him/her - you will learn a lot about pressure and drives you will never learn by "streetwork" only.
It´s different, but will tell you a lot about your dog.

Blackmal, why don't you contact Stefan and get some videos of "real" dogs? He sells police dogs, too.

What is a better test of a dog than Schutzhund? There is a lot that goes into having a dog that can collect 95% of the points at the highest level. I don't think people are giving the proper credit to what kind of dog and trainer this takes. I think a lot of this real pressure talk is nonsense. I have seen a lot of dogs in my club that could handle real pressure. It is easy in my opinion to find these dogs. It is hard to find these dogs that will also show control and obedience under pressure and to do so all the time. This is what I want in a dog and I don't know a better place to find and test these dogs then on the Sch field.

It is hard to find these dogs that will also show control and obedience under pressure and to do so all the time.

That´s it.

....I,m now  more  interestting in the real world ( police or miltary)than all the titles and perfection  in dogsport this are two different
worlds with all the respect, but thanks for explain my question.

As a dog lover and someone who respects what it takes to train a dog, i decided to go the the Southwest Police Dogs championship last year as a spectator. What i saw (only there 5-6 hours) were a ton of dogs that were taught to bite out of fear, when what you call pressure came, dogs would not engauge or if they did the bites were very shallow and the dog was more in advoidance than any fight drive. Watched a ton of "top street dogs" get chased with a shower head spraying water as the 'bad guy' emurged from behind the shower curtain of the tub... These were dogs of all breeds, not just GSDs and Mals and a lot of the dogs broke grip when the suited decoys wrapped their arms around the dogs body... The biggest thing i see in both sport and real world, is the tendancy to take dogs that really do not belong and make them fit the job. 

 

Also, as Susies pointed out, In SchH training, pressure is not just bite work, heck that is easy, the pressure that a dog is put under during intense OB sessions working on percise placements and speed within the excersise is pretty amazing. There are a ton of dogs that start to shut down and can not work through it and unfortantely there seems to be more GSDs who are shutting down or even lossing nerve and acting agressively toward the handler than dogs that can come through it and perform.

SchH really does put a dog through some serious stress at the hight levels. And most, probably not all, dogs who compete at higher levels are pretty solid dogs. Those that are V in OB and tracking have proven they can work through high stress with out breaking down

 

There are many different kind of handlers and differentnt kind of dogs have seen many

There are very hard serious and dominant dogs who can work under very hard punishment handers
but but are too much dog for the full scores, There are some weaker and more easy to train dogs who can work very good
under some smarter handlers with less pressure but can take take the full scores.

@ cutaway There are  in the police/military  world (countries)different kind of quality  level   dogs and handlers/ training and also  their decoys.

 

 

 

 

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@ hb 34

Maybe Stefan read this topic hope he reacts so everybody can read his vision.

I guess the biggest complaint about the pressure in schutshund is the dog has seen it all before in the identical way ad naseum.

The pressure in my uneducated opinion is building more and more intensity for the same exercise while maintaining precision accuracy and control. Real pressure for sure but different kind of pressure to someone charging out of a hidey hole and kicking the shit out of yr dog.

If they could meet somewhere in the middle....

He did not say the top scoring dogs should all be bred...I guess people hear what they want. He said a good dog is able to show at high competitions and make a respectable performance. People who talk about IPO in a negative way have not been training in the last 10 years. The necessary precision and the pressure that requires is a lot. When you have a dog that can remain precise without losing power then you have something special. These are hard to find.

I have dealt with police dogs, I have seen some nice looking ones but most of them would not be what I want to breed nor are they anything special. If you have not seen that dog under control you do not know and there is no police dog that I have seen trained to that level unless they are former IPO dogs.

BlackMalinois forget Staatsmacht success in IPO look at his studs. Look how many of his dogs are breeding in every program including KNPV. Those dogs are everywhere and in everything including police.