2015 SV BSZS in Nuremberg video - Page 7

Pacco,

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Blitzen - There are some W/L dogs who are anatomically good enough to be used in a breeding programme. Even though some of these will be grey, bicolour or black (these colours are still permissible and within the breed standard) they will not be used. The colour that we see today are the result of one man's preference and that man was Hermann Martin. There has never been a vote to exclude dogs of another colour.

Mackenzie

I get all of that. Let me put it another way - what would be the downside of a WL x SL mating? Why don't more do it? What would be the goal?

The goal is to make improvements and address the problems that face the breed today. The reason for not doing it is because of breeding more for colour than anything else is the priority to get show winners. The downside is that too many breeders just do not have sufficient knowledge to blend the lines. If you look at the bloodlines of some of the working dogs you will see, as an example, that not all grey dogs have only grey dogs behind them for five generations.

Going back a few years it can be seen in the bloodlines on this database that many dogs that were considered to be working animals have many show dogs of the day behind them. If this could done then the question is why can it not be done today. I think that the answer comes down to knowledge.

Mackenzie

2015 SV BSZS Nuremberg part 6 TSB-Überprüfung Rüden (GHKR) V41-V50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2p9bnnvCwA

 

V41  1046  Baggio v. Juvenisty 
Cornelis van der Wal  NL
Ausgepragt, laßt ab (Überfall 4, Abverh 3)

V42  1044  Taifun vom St.-Michaels-Berg 
Werner Zwiertz  D
Ausgepragt, laßt ab (Überfall 4, Abverh 4)

V43  1219  Tim von Fidelius 
Armin Braunwarth  D
Ausgepragt, laßt ab (Überfall 3, Abverh 3)

V45  1269  Dastin vom Türkenkopf 
Paulus Slamet Hartomulyono  ID
Ausgepragt, laßt ab (Überfall 3, Abverh 3)

V46  1111  Team Bulle Hof Murphy 
Elena Bliznetsova  D
Ausgepragt, laßt ab (Überfall 3, Abverh 4)

V48  1183  Eon di Casa Nobili 
Phat T. Nguyen-Ly Chan Nam  US
Ausgepragt, laßt ab (Überfall 4, Abverh 4)

V49  1069  Milow vom Himmeltal 
Monja Sauerwein  D
Ausgepragt, laßt ab (Überfall 4, Abverh 4)

V50  1084  Larus v. Amasis 
Hans-Peter Rieker  D
Ausgepragt, laßt ab (Überfall 4, Abverh 3)

Good posts Mack and Blitzen

It seems sad to me that there is not more cooperation between "lines". I don't understand that. I also don't understand the lack of linebreeding. Outcrossing generation after generation is never going to produce consistency. 

"what would be the downside of a WL x SL mating?"

not a breeder but I venture to guess that on average you would not get many progeny that would be put forward in the show ring and you would not get many progeny to make it on to the sport podium.

as far as regular working dog people they imo will work whatever works and do not pay so much attention to the ped because selecting from a group of dogs the vendor presents (SOP for many working dog purchases) I can absolutely guarantee a formal pedigree analysis is not part of the selection process.

admit I am just guessing.

The SL dogs that are in so many WL ped generally occur decades ago. There was not as large a gap in the two back then. More recent years, with focus on selection for deep red color and huge gate, sees the SL with less athleticism and less workability...