Maybe we should list the tea party as terrorists. - Page 12

I had surgery on a broken ankle 15 years ago, a sleel plate to put the bone together. The doctor insisted on giving me a prescrip for pain meds. I tore it up.
I had a broken molar pulled a couple yrs ago, and asked for antibiotics, since the tooth was already abscessed before I got to the dental surgeon to have it removed. He said I didn't need any, but he gave me a prescription for oxycodone. I tore that prescrip up, too.
I ended up taking cephalexin I have here for the dogs for emergency. The infection caused the whole side of my face to swell and unbelievable pain. Alieve and dogs' meds. That's the extent of my medication. 30 years ago, neproxin when I got my leg broke and tore the acl.

What about smoking joints, you were around in the 60's, you all did that right?

The motive is schizophrenia and whether you believe it or not people like this most definitely need to be medicated. Throw in a little paranoia and you have a ticking time bomb. There are plenty of cases that call for a person with mental health issues to be on medication. I can't or won't just dismiss meds for people like this. Most refuse to take their meds so they whack out.

I know damn well that some people taking psych meds are affected in bad and dangerous ways but I am not so wrapped up in blaming all this on psych meds. Nor do I believe all people with guns are careless, short fused or looking to shoot. But I am also not going to buy guns as our savior lock stock and barrel. Guns haven't really made us as a nation all that much safer because if they did we would not be here discussing this topic. Keep your guns, put more on the streets, arm all Americans and watch what happens. I am calling it right here and now and that is this has really just started there will be more deaths more horrific killings. We live in America believe what you want but don't expect me to run and hide because you say I am wrong and you are right, nor should you try and shame me into quitting the debate.

Nor do I appreciate the fact that you claimed I am about to go over the edge. It takes a tremendous amount to push me that far. My wife gets so mad at me at times because when she argues she loves to yell - I tend to never yell or for that matter even raise my voice. And surely a discussion about guns/gun control is not going to push me "over the edge'. I think, lol, you owe me a public apology, lol.

Lol. Pete, I was a teen in the sixties...you couldn't have pinned me down and forced 'illicit' drugs on me. Lots of it the schools going on, lots of little scums offering it and hoping to creating new customers. I didn't try weed till I was in the Army, early seventies. After the army, but not until a decade later, I toked a few with friends, sitting around ruminating on training horses and dogs, late at night after a productive day of training. That's been thirty years ago.

'You owe me a public appology' .......ROTFL...that sounds remarkably familiar, hahaha. ;-)
In all honesty, I didn't mean youre about to go over the edge re sanity. I meant 'over the edge' towards personal attacks, as happens a lot here. But I'll apologize publicly, if you want. Gsdadmin, I apologize for saying 'your about to go over the edge', which sounded like your about to whack out. That's not how I intended the remark.:-)
Bet I never the one that's owed me, lol. ( not from you, just so you don't misconstrue.)

As for meds for schitzoids, of course some patients need them. The problem is people who are put on meds instead of counseling...the meds are easy, no fuss no muss for the docs. But the personality/brain damage once started unnessesarity on psych drugs is horrific.
My point is that contrary to what you seem to suggest, guns are not causing mass murders....messed up people are. I'm not try to stop you from debating, certainly not trying to shame you. You do seem to start with personal insults when you disagree, like saying I'm making things up as I go....no, turns out the guy didn't intend to shoot anyone, just as I suggested, as we now know he didn't even have a real gun. No bullets were fired till the cops killed him. Mass killing are not new in this country. I still say drones are going to be the next nightmare delivering weapons in mass killings, and they are available to any one with zero regulation. PS. BTW, many people who hold everything in become ticking time bombs and whithout a pressure valve to release the pressure (ie, getting mad, yelling, etc) and are typical of 'quiet, never raise voice or get angry'.

I know I got it from your PM. lol. No I am not likely to go over the edge to personal attacks - I usually save that for when I am personally attacked.

So, are you saying I am one of those type to become a ticking time bomb? I don't hold back but tend to not yell or become overly excited easily unless we are talking sex - but that is for another discussion.

Sure people kill people but we make it way to easy to kill lots quickly. Why do you think explosives are pretty much illegal. Maybe we should make them legal because after all it isn't the explosives that kill, it is people, right?

Hahaha.
Explosives do more than just kill people. They can be used to destroy infrastructure, etc. Guns are an asset for responsible people such as mindhunt and me. I don't have anything that needs to be blown up.
I remember in the fifties, down on the fl keys, dinamite was leagal to buy and guys were blowing holes in the ground to the water table. That would be salt water being on little coral islands. Then rthgey would stock the pools with minnows in an attempts to control the mosquito population. Problem was that moscos don't lay eggs on saltwater.lolol. I will say it was fun watching the explosions, from a distance.
Gun powder is not illegal. But again, neither are drones.

This is exactly what I am talking about. Seemingly great friends at one time, ended in death and destruction of 2 families. I don't see mention of psych drugs or the fact of mental illness beyond PTSD which many many people suffer from. Good people with great lives lose control and you can't tell me any different. Many many many people have lost their lives or have been affected by gun violence and no mental illness or drugs were involved. Many accidental shooting have occurred with no mental illness or psych drugs being involved.  http://abcnews.go.com/US/florida-neighborhood-dispute-ended-people-dead/story?id=32904833

This guy was a respected friendly neighbor just like you and Mindhunt but he lost control and now plenty of others have to live with the loss of life and devastation. Owning guns don't make you safer because over and over you say it isn't the guns it is the people so if it is the people then how is owning a gun making you safer? Illogical logic at its best.

Do you drive a car? Using your rationalization, many many many people, children to elderly die by vehicle caused death. How can you, with your rationale, in good conscience turn the key and enter traffic, when the odds are very high that a wreck will happen andf innocent lives lost.
Again, gsdadmin, guns don't 'make me feel safe'. My sense of safety is determined by environment.

http://asirt.org/Initiatives/Informing-Road-Users/Road-Safety-Facts/Road-Crash-Statistics
Annual United States Road Crash Statistics

Over 37,000 people die in road crashes each year
An additional 2.35 million are injured or disabled
Over 1,600 children under 15 years of age die each year
Nearly 8,000 people are killed in crashes involving drivers ages 16-20
Road crashes cost the U.S. $230.6 billion per year, or an average of $820 per person
Road crashes are the single greatest annual cause of death of healthy U.S. citizens traveling abroad


Gun deaths in us annually;

http://usconservatives.about.com/od/capitalpunishment/a/Putting-Gun-Death-Statistics-In-Perspective.htm There are roughly 32,000 gun deaths per year in the United States. Of those, around 60% are suicides. About 3% are accidental deaths (between 700-800 deaths). About 34% of deaths (just over 11,000 in both 2010 and 2011) make up the remainder of gun deaths and are classified as homicides. Sometimes the 32,000 and 11,000 figures are used interchangeably by gun control advocates. Clearly, the 32,000 figure is a far more dramatic number and it is often used for impact by anti-gun activists.
.........pay attention to Accidental gun deaths; between 700-800 One can assume that auto deaths by definition are Accidental....37,000 per year !!! Now, who is taking the most risk of accidentally killing innocent people....you driving every day, or me with my guns in the house.

How many drivers on the road everyday? How many people carrying guns everyday in public? You are again comparing oranges and apples and trying to sell me koolaide. I am not buying it.

I have no problem if you keep your guns at home but lets face it lots of people don't. Are cars safe - nope. Especially small cars, but I need to work and drive to the store so I assume that safety risk. But I do not assume some ass wipe has a gun and while playing with his winky he accidentally shoots me. You can't compare driving accidents with accidental shootings. Also, when I see where that link comes from that tells me their slant on it and they are going to spin it how they want it spun and unfortunately like minded people are going to drink the koolaide.