Anyone know of Bob Fox in Ohio Trainer/breecer - Page 6

Richie, never said you were upset, I asked if you were upset. Looks like you are reading into something that isn't even a problem.

 

I certainly hope you have notified the testing labs that your results have varied on the same dog/s. I'd also copy OFA and include the written results of all the tests. I suspect it is quite unusual for one dog owner to have submitted DNA on several dogs and received different results. They may be interested in knowing if they are related, etc..

Also the owners of all those other dogs (I assume GSD's) should do the same. No one is going to take any of this seriously unless there is proof. I wish you'd consider copying those results here too. You don't need to name the dogs as long as there is a way to identify them on the paperwork.

"Tons of info out there with DM "clear" dogs developing DM."

Because there are two different types of DM and there is only a test for one of them, the non-GSD specific type.  If two dogs, who are both DNA clear for that type of DM are mated, their offspring will always also test negative.  I can't explain your differing results on the same dog but I would suspect either a contaminated DNA sample or mishandling by one of the labs.

If you breed , you should be testing your dogs end of story.

Anyone who has PROOF that the DNA DM test is inaccurate is obligated to report that to the OFA et al. The proof is a post mortem that proves that the GSD actually had DM, not a similar neurological disease. If the results of the post and the results of the DNA test are not consistent, that needs to be reported. Talking on the net is not going to get it done. Researchers aren't interested in anecdotal discussion (and neither should breeders be); they want to see proof of the claims. So far, the 3 GSD's I know who were diagnosed with DM at autopsy also tested at risk using the OFA lab. One was sired by an at risk sire, the dam was not tested.

Also anyone who has the same GSD tested by 2 different labs that receives different results is obligated to report that to the OFA et al. It's the right thing to do for the breed. Otherwise all our thoughts on the accuracy of the test are based soley on personal opinion.

Bob you asked an Admin to remove the fake pedigree of Angel   I asked you to tell me what was fake about the pedigree and you have not responded.  Does this mean that you have changed your mind and that the pedigree is correct and that you were wrong?

Well Bob on September 29 you posted that Richies23 had lied and posted a fake pedigree.  You asked that an Admin take care of this.

I asked you what was fake about the pedigree and show me proof of that.  You did not respond I am surprised as you seemed to have a very strong reaction to the posting of the pedigree and that Richi23 had lied and was trying to slander you.

48 hours ago I again asked you what needed to be fixed and you still have not answered and shown proof of him posting a fake pedigree or telling lies about you causing slander

I can only assume as others that Richie23 was telling the truth and that perhaps you were the one who was telling lies as you have shown no proof of it being otherwise.

I have never met Bob Fox in person or have done any business with his kennel. I have a full time job in law enforcement, a family and a passion for GSDs on my free time so i don't like to sit on Facebook/internet to argue or bash people...I've never done it before and i'm sure i will regrete it after posting for even giving him any attention.

 I will keep this very simple and on a 5th grade reading level because the person we are talking about here might not have the mental capacity past 12years old. Everytime someone challenges him or calls him out, Bob deletes them from the FB group becasue he cant hold a mature conversation and doesn't want to look bad in his group. 

I've been part of Bob Fox's Facebook group for quite some time, I've witnessed him numerous times trashing people simply because they ask a question/advise about training or someone posts and ad of puppies for sale and of course if its not his puppies so they're automaticly not worthy to be on there. I never sold any dogs on there but this one perticular time. I posted an add of a black female which was imported from Europe. The video was not intented to show the puppy's drive, the video was intented to show what the puppy looks like because pictures rarely captures a dogs look. I will make a second video to show the puppies drive and post it on here, I have nothing to hide. Either way Bob Fox decided to get on and comment on my ad, began to start talking crap about this puppy saying that she has no drive( again the video was not intented to show drive), she looks like a lab, that I'm trying to wash her out because of her quality. Just a few days before my post he wrote in the group that no one should be talking trash or belittle someone, well no one except him of course. I called him out on everything he does and his ability to train dogs, I simply just asked him to post one...just one video of him working a dog. I'm sure you have one video of you training a dog since you call yourself a trainer and you love to put people down everytime they ask a training question. Several group members began to post on there and they also asked him to post vidoes of him training. Well neither the less he deleted the post, kicked and blocked everyone including myself ,who asked him about a training video. I even wrote in my post for everyone to read..."Becasue i called Bob out i will shorty be deleted", well what do you know... the 12 year old mentality was proven yet again, since these guys are making me look bad I will just block them. I wasn't shocked to see how many messages I received from people in that group agreeing with everything I said.

I don't think that Bob has bad dogs because I know where he imports his dogs  and Aritar Bastet Kennel in Czech has great dogs, porbably some of the best in the world, I have a few from them myself but Bob is not a breeder or a trainer. What kind of reputable breeder constantly has ''oops" litters. Do you not have the proper/adequte conditions to separate your dogs or keep them contained?? This is what puppy mills do. How can you call yourself a breeder when you've never tilted a dog or believe in titeling a dog. The reason you titled/work a dog, Bob Fox, is to find out what are his/hers best and worse qualities so when a PLANNED breeding takes place you improve and balance those qulities depading on what you breed for. This is just one of the many factors that you should consider when you breed two dogs. 

Since you call yourself a trainer...again...please post a video of you working a dog off leash.

To the eyes of a new person in ther GSD world or breeding and training, a video of you with a sleeve on and a 3 month old puppy constatly jumping with no control, seems to be the greatest thing since they've first seen a picture of a black sable GSD that they never knew existed. 

One more thing, if you want someone to reply to your post when you are trying to put them down, you can't block them from your groups. But again we are dealing with a child mentality, you can never win an argument with a child behind a keyboard, it will never happen...but unfortunately, you won't be able to delete this post. lol

Hey, no hard feelings Bob, maybe this will make you a little more humble...you might start to respect people and think before you write, thats what adults do. 

 

By the way if you are ever in Atlanta, Ga and you want to come train with our Schutzhund Club...you are more than welcome to do so. I would love to see you work a dog in person. 

 

Alex V.

 

Hey Alex You have NOT and still are NOT blocked or removed from the group and I Posted several videos on your RANT for you to view and asked you to post yours but instead of responding on there where you started running your mouth and acting childish You come on here to Continue Your Childish Rant. This also spun from TWO of my Groups on FB! The one is a Sale Group and there are Plenty of dogs and puppies for sale by HONEST People on there and the other is My Private Discussion Group! Rules on the Sale group simply state get caught Lying and you are out! You Posted Video of a Half dead Puppy Calling it High Drive and To Much for a Pet Home when that is all it is at Best! Just because a Puppy is "imported" does Not Automatically make it high drive or the ultimate puppy or worthy of Top Sport etc. If The Puppy was so Great why are you not Keeping it after importing it? You obviously Know all the Right things to tell those unsuspecting Beginners as you call them to sell a washout. Everyone on the Group is waiting your responses to all the Empty Lies and accusations you posted on FB. Why come here and act Childish Like this? Who has the 12 year old Mentality? It Always Amazes me How Childish People get when they do not get their way. If you want Videos go to Youtube I have plenty of off leash Videos there for you. In fact they are ALL Started off leash and usually do NOT ever see a Leash until 6 Months old and Only than to start tightening them up! BTW The Video of the Puppy with the Sleeve was for a Person that wanted to see the DRIVE of the Puppy. That is a High Drive Puppy. I asked them what they wanted in the Video and they didn't know so Knowing my Pups I said how about if I can get it to hit a sleeve because he said his last dog wouldn't hit a sleeve. His response was if I could get the puppy to hit the sleeve he would buy it and he did!
By The Way You act like one of those who think an IPO Title is a Begin all and end all on Working Dogs when there is a Big Difference between Sport and Real Working Dogs and if you get the chance to talk to the Other Best Breeders and Trainers in the World they might explain it to you. Your accusations of my Friends in Europe Calling me Names was the Best! I Know my friends in Czech Republic well enough and they are Good enough People that I can tell you without a Doubt even if they Thought bad of someone they would not Lower themselves to the level of ever saying it to another person. They are Not the kind of people to go around talking about others.
Your Little Childish Rant here said it all! You start one on FB and drag it all over the place and can not finish that adult conversation on the private group where you started it instead feel the need to Come out in Public and Bash me and all over what? Because You are Washing out your Direct import No Drive Puppy? Why Not Just Be Honest about it? There is No One anywhere who can Say I was Not Honest about a Dog or Puppy I sold them! I Go out of my way to be sure they are getting what they want and My Word is very important to me even if other people do not care to hold themselves to the same standard! Have a Nice Day!

Here is the Video of that High Drive Puppy that Alex had posted so everyone else can be the judge of if it is a washout and he is claiming the puppy is something that it obviously is Not! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVkySTHa04E