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by Bob McKown on 09 April 2015 - 13:04

 

Both of these dogs have been worked on suits hidden sleeves and some muzzle work. The female sable is a IPO 3 and AWD 1 currently working on her AWD 2 I,ve owned her from when she was 8 weeks old and put all her titles on her. The Black and Tan male is from my breeding and has his AD Bh and ready for his 1. This type of works make a much more well rounded dog. Both would make good dual purpose dogs, thats what the breed is supposed to be. Both dogs are very approachable in public.  

 


by joanro on 09 April 2015 - 13:04

"He thuinders down the straightaway and hits the sleeve so hard the decoy is almost thrown off his feet . The decoy releases the sleeve, and the dogs runs off with the sleeve with no focus on the decoy. To me it looked pretty much pus....y."--Real Dog, April 8, 2015

Vk,you said; ^ agree fully this is why so many wash outs get sold to chumps for top price and dodgy breeders can make a neat living selling weak nerve bag overly defensive dogs.

Now, if you will remember, at the brining of this thred, I commented dogs trained in sport are trained to focus on the sleeve...to facilitate safety.

What this training video, can you honestly say this dog is a 'weak nerve bag overly defensive dog' simply because he is TRAINED to FOCUS on the sleeve and NOT the man......because he carries the sleeve off the field or at least to handler.

BTW, notice the horrible jam at 3:19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX4YMoUB0ok&feature=youtube_gdata_player

by gsdstudent on 09 April 2015 - 13:04

Duke; you give people too much credit! 


susie

by susie on 09 April 2015 - 16:04

The easiest and most successful way to train a dog for IPO is using its preydrive ( time is money ) - so people use the prey drive, and the sleeve is the prey.

A lot of handlers/owners don´t even want a "real" dog - they never "wake them up", and a lot of clubs are not interested in training "civil", over here they are not even officially allowed to do so.

Does this say anything about the dog in question? NO

There are several people training "the old way" like Bob showed above, and the dogs are able to do the job, it´s just training differently. And these dogs are able to title, my Ghandi Arlett son was good for 98 points in protection, and he was trained in defense first and foremost. When he became older he learned that it´s fun to get the sleeve/prey, too.

This is no common practise any more, because sport training developed, but a prey oriented dog is not identical with a "not real" dog, These dogs just show what they learned, not more, not less.
Everything else you need to test and train.

There is no Rintintin.

 


OGBS

by OGBS on 09 April 2015 - 20:04

Bob,

Great shots of the "Polish" helper!  Tongue Smile


GSDfan

by GSDfan on 25 May 2015 - 19:05

It entirely depends on the dog and the training.  Some dogs merely just need to learn the decoy is still in play without the sleeve.  Here is early transition to civil work with my IPO dog.  

 


https://www.facebook.com/melanie.howe.77/videos/10201399591616274/?l=231726178241027394

 

 

Then there are some dogs no matter how much you train for civil they won't accept it ...I see this alot with medium drive males neutered young.  

Or they are dogs high in defense who are very quick to bite but there is so much stress involved they don't want to stay in the fight.


GSDfan

by GSDfan on 25 May 2015 - 19:05

Also do not confuse "prey drive" with "play drive" a dog can be very civil in prey drive.

 

Prey drive is the drive the canine hunts and KILLS in, it can be a very intense and serious drive.  This is most obvious with the malinois breed.


by Bob McKown on 26 May 2015 - 20:05

With out sleeve.


by Bob McKown on 26 May 2015 - 20:05

With sleeve.


Dawulf

by Dawulf on 26 May 2015 - 20:05

One of my absolute favorite dogs I've ever met was on the podium at Nationals a few years back. He will bite for real, or he will bite a sleeve. He will also jump up in your lap and give you kisses not 30 seconds after protection work. I adore that guy! Heart

 

I've also seen dogs though that will "talk the talk" on the field, bite like monsters, and the second they are in a new or high stimulus situation they are shaking so bad they're practically shitting themselves.

 

Totally depends on the dog.






 


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