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by Blitzen on 27 August 2013 - 23:08

Extra butter, please!!!

swingfield

by swingfield on 27 August 2013 - 23:08

I am making a pitcher of margarita's to go with the popcorn.. my own opinion is ..... oh never mind.. who cares!! let's drink !

by Paul Garrison on 27 August 2013 - 23:08

No popcorn for me. I want all of the room for the margarita's.

by Gustav on 28 August 2013 - 08:08

At training tonight, I was discussing with a friend who is 65 and one of the best trainers in the state...( I would put him and T Floyd in same category, he just isn't in our breed but has trained hundreds of German Shepherds over the years).... About the state of the breed. He was saying that the demise of the Doberman and the German Shepherd in working temperament is unconscionable. He said that 90% of the GS that are brought to his academy in past 15 years are so soft or nervy that he seldom sees a working dog anymore, then he said that when he does see strong nerves, it usually has Malinois tendencies. He said Cliff, what happened to the dogs of years past that were sound and reliable. I laughed and told him in many people's eyes these dogs are myths....lol Anyway, I told him there are some breeders out there breeding good dogs, but the breed is approaching the German Poodle status, as a popular dog that is bred for everyone to be able to own. I don't advocate mixing anything, I agree with Paul, but it's not going to happen because today's leaders in the breed have set this tone.

Kaffirdog

by Kaffirdog on 28 August 2013 - 09:08

Can't imagine what you could put into a GSD to improve it.  Interesting that some Malinois breeders put some GSD in, they must have something to offer Teeth Smile.

Margaret N-J

Hired Dog

by Hired Dog on 28 August 2013 - 09:08

Size Margaret, the Malinois needed size, thats why they bred GSD and Great Danes into them.

by Blitzen on 28 August 2013 - 10:08

In the US we live in a culture that says dogs should act like Lassie or be killed.

jemi

by jemi on 28 August 2013 - 10:08

temperament is not really difficult to breed into the lines.  behavior like hardness, dominance, and all kind of drives are inheritable, including liveliness.  If someone is producing soft, fearful and timid dogs genitically, it is the breeder's fault because of improper selection.  And maybe because of the influence of the pet advocates, that you are an irresponsible breeder if you are not producing cuddly, couch potatoes  GSD's, to the detriment of this wonderful breed.  And when the kennel clubs says that roached back GSD is the standard structure, it doesn,t mean that  they are right at all.  Imagine if Mr. Stephanitz will come back to life and show his own dogs, these kennel clubs will tell him that his dogs are way far from the standard, very wrong, and he is ignorant about the GSD breed.

I came from a family of several generations breeder of chickens and we breed only the extremes in disease resistance/health, athletism and functional structure, courage, and performance style.  Next is color patterns and shades to identify each line.  Each line are very uniform physically, and have a  style of their own in ring performance.  And we are producing thousands of them every year.

Every time we decided to make a new line to keep up with the competition, we do a lot of careful observations and studies on how to outperform the competitors breedingwise and start working from the breeding stocks.  If you have a goal, the next thing to do is to work towards that goal to produce what you want or need to be competitive.  And yes, broodcocks don't need to be title holders.  Title or no title if they are breedworthy, we will breed them.

 

Kaffirdog

by Kaffirdog on 28 August 2013 - 16:08

No Kennel Club has ever said the GSD should be roach backed or anything else Jemi, they are just registries.  The shape and temperament of the breed is determined entirely by the interpretation of the Breed Standard (which is the same as it has always been) by breeders who produce and show the dogs and the judges who place them.  If the breed is going wrong, the blame is squarely on their shoulders.

Margaret N-J

yellowrose of Texas

by yellowrose of Texas on 28 August 2013 - 20:08

For years the Gernans used Culling as a means of STOPPING the release of weak pups into the world of marketing gsd

Today and in last decade because of  POLITICAL CORRECTNESS arriving on the scene, that method got rolled under the rugs

From beginning of time there are and have been weaker pups or in human species a weaker brother and there will never be a perfect union of any two to mate a german shepherd of total working dog. unless we go back to breeding the best and leave the REST.

It IS THE WORK OF MAN who downgraded the breed and public gobbled up rhe spoils so culling became a thing of the past,

Some older breeders still CULL and still product the dogs that are sought after with GOOD HEALTH

That means only good health and genes that are less likely to reproduce the weaker traits are not released to FOOLS who breed them and sell them and we never attain anything any better .

Yr





 


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