Fun-Tricky bicolor images. - Page 1

Found these and felt they were interesting on lightest scale of the Bi-color spectrum in the GSD. note all have black on the rear of the hock
 
Dam of the Above Dog
    Mother of the Mother

I would call all those dogs dark black and tans. Lots of black and tans have tar heels. Those dogs all have facial markings and tan behind their ears/necks, as well as "pants".

Jenni those do not have enough siblings or progeny to see what they are producing. I would have guessed everyone called that Bicolor. Guess Not.
This one is better. Progeny Pictures

Obelix du Val des Hurles Vent
Sire Born : 23. July 1998

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His Sons

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Other Bloodline

I'm sorry...I'm confused. What are you trying to show?   Sorry...it's late and I've been up w/a sick baby...but I'm lost. I wouldn't call most of the second group bicolors either, though the first pic is very hard to tell much from. Can't see feet. 

Trying to show the lighter spectrum of bicolors all with black hocks, some with lighter areas in the undercoat and even neck.
But if these are not considered bi-colors then.... I'll have see what others are calling them

I also would say those are black and tans.
I have a thing about calling blk and tans bi-colors. I feel too many label incorrectly.
At the end of the day I guess it really don't matter.
I would also be interested in knowing what others say and would love to see some "true" bi-color pictures.
My mom has a bi-color. I will put his pic when I go on my computer.

Joni, we've had like a gazillion of those threads- search them on Google; you'll find a ton! 

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/forum.read?mnr=96798-bicolor&pagen=2

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/forum.read?mnr=16178-is-he-bicolor&pagen=2

These dogs are bicolor, below. All are either Capri herself or her pups, so you can see what true bicolor produces. Sires are solid black and sable. I've tried to show different angles, and the facial close-up I put in to show the seasonal differences in some bi's. Below, right, is Capri sometime in Spring or Summer..looks solid black from her face, doesn't she? But...in winter, she has eyebrow dots:
 

 
  

Here's a fun tricky one...genetic black with bleeding
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Jenni, who's the bitch in the sixth picture (just above this 'this is a tricky..." ) she gorgeous.
I "heard" that if they have chest marking or eye brow dots, tan under the tail, tan on the sheath or underbelly or inside hind legs, then they are not a bi-color.

I'm confused now. I *thought* tarheels and toe marks on a dog that looks black and tan was what made them a bi-color? What about a bi-color with a light undercoat?


Mother is bi-color, as is many grandparents on that side, father is sable. Her import papers say black and brown. Undercoat is light all over her body, but she is not sable (sable being the outer hairs are banded, and hers are solid black) Belly is black, she gets eye dots in the summer.

Joan, that's Capri, last summer. Summer before maybe? I dunno, but it's her, 1 or 2 years ago. You can always tell by her trademark funky right ear.   ​Joan, I'm not sure I agree with what you "heard." I have never had anyone second guess Capri being a bi, and look at her pups- they're clearly bi, and she's never been bred to a bicolor or sire with a recessive bi from a parent, that I know of. The bicolor is coming from her. For me, the easiest way to tell is the face, behind the ears, neck, etc. Tan under the tail is how I tell a bicolor from a black at birth, actually. When the tan extends down to "pants", and one or more other factors are present, then I say not a bicolor. Some black and tans have tar heels but not toe penciling, and a lot of tan on their faces. To my knowledge ONLY TINY eyebrow dots are permissible to still call a dog a bicolor.  Melanistic black and tans can be deceiving sometimes. 

Melba, you're right; I meant eye dots in summer, no eye dots in winter, usually. Ok, now that I look, I'm not sure...I'll just say sometimes if she stands in tall grass she gives the appearance of solid black, and sometimes she has eyebrows!