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by Gustav on 19 December 2009 - 14:12

Prey drive is a vital component of a good herding dog.

by freemont on 19 December 2009 - 20:12

Gustav,

Rightly so, rightly so.  Prey drive is essential in a good herding dog.  I forgot to bring up herding in my last post...

Freemont

by freemont on 19 December 2009 - 20:12

On another thread, someone mentioned that even in Czech lines as certainly in W. German lines already that the prey drive is being more accentuated for a better "sport" dog.

The question then became how has this accentuating the prey drive changed the working lines from say 30 years ago?

Also, it is often said that a dog with a strong prey drive is easier to train, so does this make a better gsd or a lousier handler?

by Gustav on 19 December 2009 - 20:12

I think that a lot of the current Czech dogs do have more prey drive and I also think they are getting to be sportier than they were 15 years ago. Not all of course but you see more and more of Czech dogs mixed with West workinglines that have very strong prey. But, by the same token the Czech lines have to eventually diversify their genepool also. So, they are faced with incorporating west working or showlines. The best working showline dogs that I have seen in past 20 years were from Eastern bloc countries. (Czech, Hungary, etc).
I still favor the older type dog that has balanced drives and good fight drive in the work. JMO

Scoutk9GSDs

by Scoutk9GSDs on 19 December 2009 - 22:12

A good Malinois is a superior working dog on any day than a good GSD is. It doesnt have anything to do with prey or defense either. They are simply far more agile and pound for pound stronger with more endurance. They are a hardier breed. I suppose you could argue that comparing them really isnt just because they think differently but we always have to compare even if its apples to oranges ie. "which is the best fruit"? Each has a place. You could also argue that a bad Malinois is worse than a bad GSD.

darylehret

by darylehret on 20 December 2009 - 01:12

"A good Malinois is a superior working dog on any day than a good GSD is."

What a blanket statement that is, very unlike you.  Perhaps in others, but at least in the example of livestock tending, I totally disagree.

by GSD Justice on 20 December 2009 - 01:12

A malinois is a poor choice for working dog bottom line.  I am 6'4", 245 pounds, and still in shape.  I would break any malinois in half if he tried to take me down.  A full grown adult GSD is a fearsome sight even at my size and ability.  I would not F$$$ with the GSD. 

Check in with the Army, local police, and high end personal protection firms.  No malinois in sight.  Sorry, nice dog, but not a GSD.


Scoutk9GSDs

by Scoutk9GSDs on 20 December 2009 - 02:12

GSD Justice,

I really have no idea what to say to THAT!!! Im speechless. LOL.

You go on with that.......holy cow....and...GOOD LUCK!


Slamdunc

by Slamdunc on 20 December 2009 - 03:12

Wow, lots of stuff here.

First off in regards to the OP.  Prey drive is vital to a working dog.  Through prey drive comes speed.  In SchH and in Police K9 work if you teach the dog that anyone moving fast is prey; the dog will fly into them.  Then the dog can switch into defense  or fight drive if the person resists or fights.  The dog needs to have high prey drive to run a person down with speed.  There is no defense or fight in a person fleeing a dog or even running at a dog from a distance.  In SchH this is the escape and the long bite.  In the real world it's apprehending a fleeing suspect.  A dog with out prey drive simply wouldn't chase someone running. 

Prey drive also comes into play in detection work.

Ok, here we go Mali's vs Shepherds.  I'm a Shepherd guy, but I have worked some outstanding mali's.  Our special forces teams use Mali's and some Dutch Shepherds, no GSD's.  These are high end, highly trained dogs, loaded in prey and loaded in defense.  I've watched these dogs work, trained with these guys and have decoyed for them.   These dogs have been in serious combat on a regular basis and some are actual war heroes. 

GSDJustice,
I doubt  you could ever break one of those dogs in half.  These dogs will do some serious damage, as much or more than the best GSD,  Some are 80lbs and are agile, fast, hard and super intense.  These dogs are hand picked overseas and a lot of money is spent for them.  They are some of the best working dogs I've ever seen, they are on a whole new level. 

Scout,
A good Malinois is a superior working dog on any day than a good GSD is. 

I have to disagree with this statement.  It depends on the job and depends on the dog.  Mali's are not the best working dog for every job.  I like a hard, serious but clear headed dog, with no handler sensitivity and little or no handler aggression.  This is hard to find in a Mali, but not hard to find in a GSD.  I think both breeds are excellent but they each have their own issues.  I have a GSD that is super high drive, clear headed and very serious, I wouldn't trade him for a Mali.  But when I look for my next police dog, I'll take the best dog I can find GSD, Mali or Dutch Shepherd.  They will all be in the running equally. 

JMO FWIW,

Jim

 


Slamdunc

by Slamdunc on 20 December 2009 - 03:12

Yvette,
Well said!  Thank you for the dose of common sense and the good laugh.  LMAO.  

Jim





 


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