Pinch collars. - Page 3

>>>let me think would i like to walk around with nails in mi neck?........erm.........me thinks not. if you cant train your dog without one of these.....why bother<<<

Maybe because it's one hellova good dog: powerful and hard.  That's why one would bother.  What's the point of training a soft whimpy dog that DOESN'T need one?  (that is an exaggeration, but rather true to a lot of Schutzhund people's feeling about their appreciation of hard dogs)   I've put a pinch collar on my own arm and yanked hard to see what it feels like to my dog...most people who train have probably done something like that...it's not like nails at all.  Unless you sharpen the prongs, I guess.  I've heard of people doing that, but haven't ever seen anyone actually do it. 

Veronica

Pinch collars, e-collars, choke chains/cords are all very effective and humane training devices when used properly.   They are only tools to be used when appropriate.    

A Study on Prong Collars was done in Germany:

    * 100 dogs were in the study. 50 used choke and 50 used prong.
    * The dogs were studied for their entire lives. As dogs died, autopsies were performed.
    * Of the 50 which had chokes, 48 had injuries to the neck, trachea, or back. 2 of those were determined to be genetic. The other 46 were caused by trauma.
    * Of the 50 which had prongs, 2 had injuries in the neck area, 1 was determined to be genetic. 1 was caused by trauma.

The numbers seem to speak for themselves.

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There is nothing wrong with them as long as the person using knows what they are doing and the diff. between a needed correction or not. Some dogs will need them others won't depends on the dog.

I have not needed to make a "correction" per se. I keep my hand in one place and if the dog lunges against it, it is a self correction. But then my dogs don't happen to be particularly hard, more impulsive or laying into the collar than anything. I do know that correctionsif made at all, should be made to the side not up or toward the back.

Hope this thread has helped. I know Leerburgs website has a whole section dedicated to using one but I don't know if the information on the posts are good as I've never read those ones.

My mother in law FLIPPED out when she saw I had a pinch collar on my dogs.  She is TOTALLY against them, said she never had to resort to using them for training and that she only used the choke collars (which IMO is worse).  I myself am thankful for the pinch collar.  I'm a little person and I have some big dogs, given that along with the fact I am a fairly new handler I feel more confident with the pinch collar even if I don't necessarily have to use it.  I know it's there in the event the dogs for whatever reason don't want to cooperate and they know it's there if they think about showing their ass that day. lol

Before I started using the pinch collars I'd give my male a correction with a choke collar and he'd look at me like "is that all you got lady??" lol  The pinch collar has even allowed my daughter to have control over the dogs while she is learning.  I'm for them but I wouldn't suggest relying on them 100% of the time as I understand some dogs become equipment fixated and won't work as well if the collar is not on.  JMO

I use them every day, on every breed, size, and personality. The collar itself must be of good quality, rounded ends and properly angled links.

I explain it to my clients like this: If you dogs mother saw him acting out with a littermate, would she run for a cookie and politely ask him to stop? If one dog steals another dogs' bone/bed/toy, do they bribe him or drag him by the collar to a crate?

Physical correction is the most natural form of discipline for dogs, when used fairly and consistently.

I use a Pinch Collar with Fred, He has so much Drive he seems to settle a little with it on, But you can have it on the Dog and not use it

Last Night at Training he was never given a Correction at all in obedinace or protection a good night for both of us

Nine month Old Goran , i will not put one on him until he is another Month Older 10 months is soon enough then his  real work will start , but at the moment he Sits, Downs ,and Walks good but he is now getting strong, and if needed a Pinch collar will help him correct himself most of the time, Nothing should be abused no matter what it is, so its a good tool used correctly

Steve

thanks guys

this is helpful im not silly about my dogs but i would never want to inflict pain on them ,i think what i have seen was a prong/spike colar it was v. sharp and drew blood the man who was using it was lifting him off the ground with it and this really upset me.

i live in the uk where can i get a good one from ? and is there a site that can help me learn to use it? i am 5''2 and a woman

with my 45kg malamute x shepherd i ski..lol

Hi Tiger mouse

Are you actually a Brit or just living there, I thought i was alone on this Forum

I was asked only a month ago by a Belgian, were Pinch and Choke Collars Banned in England, and i said No, they were not , I cannot see who has the authority to ban them anyway

Then a couple of English G.S owners  came over to train at our Club with us, One bought a Bitch over to be Served

When they got back home one of them asked me where he could buy a Pinch Collar over here as he was more interested in getting the female sorted out and forgot to ask,

I buy my Sprenger Collars from a firm in Holland by Mail, they will send them to the UK and anywhere they need to go

Send me a mail if you want there address and website