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by Naellik on 10 April 2012 - 18:04

Reading your story brings tears to my eyes. 
I'm so so soooooo glad to hear your little man is going to be ok. 
Sending great big virtual HUGS to Beau (and you too)!

Mel62368

by Mel62368 on 10 April 2012 - 18:04

Ask you vet about Trichinosis, it is a roundworm that is found in Raw Pork!  It does cause the syptoms you have listed. 

Melissa

mollyandjack

by mollyandjack on 10 April 2012 - 18:04

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/vs/trichinae/docs/fact_sheet.htm

"Despite the fact that trichinae is rare in today's industry, pork still suffers from its legacy. Today, the trichinae issue is a question of perception versus reality. Dramatic declines in prevalence in pigs and the extremely low numbers of cases in humans are largely unrecognized by domestic consumers who still raise questions about "worms in pork". Further, lack of a trichinae control program creates problems for fresh pork in international markets despite the extremely low prevalence (essentially zero in intensive management systems)."

Most trichinosis cases in the US nowadays come from people eating wild game.

by brynjulf on 10 April 2012 - 18:04

Did he have salmonella or e-coli from the raw. Be very careful if you are eating the same source of meat!(unless you were feeding a prepackaged raw food)  We feed the dogs the same meat source as we eat.

DDRCzechFan

by DDRCzechFan on 10 April 2012 - 19:04

I have never bought personally from a butcher (had a bad experience as young child, went into a butcher/cheese shop with my mother and saw flies buzzing around and landing on the meat) so we (hubby and I) buy our meats from Kroger, Walmart and Meijer.

Dr. Andre is on standby, in case anything further happens to Beau, but since the antibiotics (or all the vomiting this morning) he has not had any vomiting, nor diaherria since about 5am. He has had a small meal at noon, and none has come up, and the frequency of pooping has slowed way down too.

On an unrelated note, here are a few pictures I just took of him. I love the fact that this pen is so large that even I (not small by any means) can also fit in here with him. Luckily, I also have a laptop. We've been doing research and Dr. Andre called on her break to see how Beau was doing, asking if he was keeping food/water down and how his stools were. She says just keep him calm, absolutly no more raw, of any kind, and just stick with the kibble. I'll certainly be taking that advice, seeing as how Lilah (the 2yr old pitbull mix) had some runny stool from the meat as well.

Sick, but handsome as ever, my sweet baby. Not the best photos, they were taken with my cell phone.




by Blitzen on 10 April 2012 - 20:04

I've had a similar experience with feeding raw, so don't do it anymore. Know a few others who have stopped it due to impactions, one had a bone splinter puncture her dogs intestine, another had to have a  bone splinter surgically removed removed from the dog's throat. It doesn't work for all dogs or all owners. Vets for the most part do not like raw feeding so they may tend to blame it more often than they really should.

Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 10 April 2012 - 20:04

Glad the vet ruled out the lake water! Both my dogs got really, really sick a couple of years ago from falling through the ice into a beaver pond in the spring. My male, who once went 24 hours without soiling the house when my idiot dog-sitter lost my keys, literally painted the walls with poop!

So many people feed raw and never have problems, but given the unsanitary conditions in feedlots, battery cages and most especially slaughterhouses, contamination of the meat with bacteria is very hard to prevent. That, and the risk of bone splinters are the main reasons I will never feed raw. Cooking the meat kills the bacteria, which is why we can eat meat from the same source and not get sick (as long as its cooked properly.) Personally, I don't believe there's a difference in the nutritional value of raw versus cooked.

Blitzen, it's true that the vets are often in the hip pockets of the dog food companies like Hill's Brothers. On the other hand, they are the ones who see the damage from dogs chewing on bones (splintered teeth, bone splinters lodged between teeth or in the mouth/throat or bowel, impactions, etc.)

One of these days I'm going to ask my vet just how frequently they see stuff like this. So many people say they've fed raw for years and never had this happen. It makes me curious to know just how much of an issue it is.

by Ibrahim on 10 April 2012 - 21:04

I hesitated a lot before I decided to make a comment, I don't think it is due to the food, it might be a bacteria/virus or a worm. Whatever the cause as long as diarrhea is there here we had wide success by giving Augmentin and Flagyl both in syrup form for 5 to 9 days and make sure he drinks enough quantity of water, it even helps the puppy overcome Parvo when treated at the very first symptoms. Just an opinion. A good thing about Augmentin syrup that we noticed here since long and this is true for most puppies it makes them drink more water than the norm, so when a puppy has parvo there is less chance of dehydration. 

Ibrahim

Abby Normal

by Abby Normal on 10 April 2012 - 21:04

My heart sank when I read the first few lines of your post. Poor little man!

There is no right or wrong. You will never trust raw again so don't feed it. I do feed raw but never trusted pork and so have never fed it. I am very picky in the bone I choose to feed and the rest is a variety of chicken wings, fish, eggs, meat, veg and offal. But, it isn't for everyone and you must do what you feel comfortable doing. There are some superb premium dry foods around. Maybe you can supplement his dry with some tasty sardines, veg and eggs etc from time to time, just for tasties instead of the raw bone!

So glad the little chap is feeling better. Soooooo adorable, you must have been so worried. 

EuroShepherd

by EuroShepherd on 10 April 2012 - 21:04



Ugh, I had a nice long post just typed out in response to this thread and then one of my dogs accidentally turned my computer off by stepping on the on/off button of my power strip.  UGH!
That being said, now I don't feel like re-typing it all so I'll just give some short answers/comments. 

1.  put some raw apple cider vinegar with the 'mother' in his drinking water, it's anti-microbial, so if his problem has to do with bad microbes in his gut system then this will help fight them.  It's also an immune booster. 

2.  the common culprit for sickness from lake water is toxins from algae, especially during/after big algae blooms when the water gets warm. 

3.  raw meat is only as safe as where it's been and what it came from.  Never feed raw ground meat.  Don't buy regular grocery meat, it's nasty, usually has fillers and contaminated with feces/gut contents because big ag slaughterhouses have to operate so fast that their work is sloppy, virtually all meat from these places is contaminated and only safe after being cooked to kill all the bad bacteria that is saturated into the meat.   I only buy raw meat from local farm sources where the animals were humane pasture raised without nasty feed, hormones, antibiotics, etc.   I also soak the meat for a few minutes in clean water with raw apple cider vinegar (I use 1 part vinegar to 2-3 parts water) before feeding to dogs. 
I've never had a dog get sick from these feeding practices. 





 


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