Where did the US GSD go wrong? - Page 11

woops, sorry too long... So what I am looking for is actual working temperament and practical work in the field. What Blitz said about the weather proofing is just wrong, apart from a dog that has it hair parted down the middle, which I don't think really exists, the long-stock coat is highly weather proof, extremely resistant to brambles and adds a layer of protection when going through brush. But how would you all know you get rid of them at 8 weeks???? Bliz I must add that the problem with too much hair with the artic breeds is that they get too hot when they are pulling sleds over a 100 miles, they are too insular. If the only reason that Whites are not allowed is because they are hard to see in the snow and against a flock of sheep than that is not a real reason. There are many working breeds that are white and that are used to tend livestock. There are many aspects to the Standard that I stand with you all about, they have real consequences and good solid reasons behind them. I however do not find evidence that supports that coat type and color has anything to do with drive, good minds, and a healthy bodies. It is practicing Luxeushenden and is superficial...

Maxis, It is not up to you to find evidence to support, The breed standard was set, there is no other.You mentioned the AKC National.....You want to know something? I AGREE WITH YOU!!! Us Americans Have bred the dogs to look like they do in the ring,I myself could give a shit about the ring,German Shepherds are a working dog,They are squarely built for power and agilty, the angulation that you and I am refering to in the National a week or two ago is over and I do me over exagarated to say the very least.Will you agree with me on that? Will you agree that this was not the intent of the SV to have the dogs we, you and me are talking about? Will you agree with me that this is a trait that was bred into the breed we speak of now? Lets try starting over with out online relationship and come to a happy medium of sorts.What do you say?

Now I'm gonna be pissed if she don't show up for two weeks....lol.

Agreed Charlie, it may help to not refer to me as a "she" though. Do you have dogs listed here would like to see them.

I for some reason assumed your were a she, sorry if I was wrong.....lol. I have one with a pic, Randy von Grafental is my stud dog and best friend another is Cliff vom Oberdorf not pic but look a lot like Randy, he is a Bi black also.Aischa vom Salztalblick, also no pis. She is a freakin nutcase Sch1 Kkl2 sable, How long do I have to go on?.lol.. I post my real name to help avoid the gender questions. I have pic of the others but only on my computer at work. Would be happy to send them to you if you like.

Sorry, Max, Eskimos killed the woolies because the longcoats formed ice balls and were NOT water proof. The wet coats part and the exposed skin gets frostbitten. You might know more about GSD's than I do, but I promise you I know a little more about arctic breeds than you do. I've owned a LC GSD, he was beautiful and I adored him. His coat was no different than the LC'd sleddogs I've known. When it rained, they all get soaked to the skin. When it snowed, they all formed iceballs inside their ears and between their toes and pads, causing lameness and a lame sleddog in Alaska or Siberia is a dead sleddog. I doubt a lame herding dog would survive for very long either. Eskimos and shepherds aren't real big on feeding pets. There is the constant grooming too, Eskimos did not pack tack boxes on their sledges. I doubt that shepherds are much for grooming either. I don't care if anyone uses LC's for breeding, that's their business. However, they are not correct per the standard, so debating whether or not they are weather proof or servicable in any way is really a moot point. I might say I like a 30" GSD, and can make all sorts of excuses to justify a 30" dog as being correct. The bottom line is, it's all about breeding to the standard and not trying to change the standard to fit what is being bred. The standard is very clear on the length and texture and double coated nature of the ideal GSD coat - read it and get back to me.

Max, please name the all white HERDING dogs and don't list Great Pyrenees or Kuvask or Komondorok. They are classified as working dogs, they do not herd, they guard and their white color is an advantage in that it offers them camouflage so that the predators do not see them. Their color allows them to blend in with the sheep. I don't know of one all white HERDING dog that is native to a country where they are expected to herd sheep in snow. How would the shepherds know that the dogs are following their directions if they can't see them and the sheep need to see them as well. Yes, I am very anal about not diverting from the breed standard in any way.

GENERAL APPEARANCE: snip on coat .... Faults in Coat include complete lack of any undercoat, soft , silky or too long outercoat and curly or open coat. PIGMENT: The German Shepherd Dog differs widely in color and all colors are permissible. Generally speaking, strong rich colors are preffered, with definate pigmentation and without the appearance of a washed-out color. White dogs are not desirable, and are to be disqualified if showing albino characteristics. ...Does anyone know if a particular site shows all the years of changes to the SV, AKC, and FCI standards? I know of someone who has a curly coated girl. She did show her and did ok. She can work fine. they don't sniff, run or bite on their coats ya know For the whites, some of the flock guards were said to be white so the sheperd could shoot the grayish wolf and not his dog by mistake. Best Wishes, Jo-Ann

I once bred a sleddog that was so cowhocked his hocks banged together when he walked. He, however, was a running fool and outworked any and all dogs with better conformation. That didn't make him a correct representative of his breed, it just made him a good sleddog LOL.

Blitz, what the hell are you breeding girl?..lol.