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by dcw on 07 October 2004 - 07:10

I did an AD with my female last spring using a Springer. They are legal and work well but are not perfect. The nylon attachment has four holes that the rope passes through that attaches to the dog and is designed to break if the dog pulls too hard. My dog snapped that sucker one time and the rope came back and really whacked me a good one. On my mountain bike I had to attach the Springer to the seat base. If you try putting it on the frame of the bike, the loop in the Springer is too low and interferes with your foot. I always use a second line on my dog, that I hold in my hand just in case the Springer breaks. Hope this helps.

by Klossbruhe on 07 October 2004 - 07:10

I just finished an AD last weekend with my wildly lunging 22 month old. The solution is easy, buy a device called a Springer. You can buy it on the net. just do a Google search and you will come up with it. Its made by the Springer Company of Norway and is imported in the US by Pet Supply Imports Inc of South Holland, IL 60473. I live in the Chicago area and found no local shops carried it. I bought it from a vendor in Alabama. It sells for around $40-$45. There is another device called the K-9 Cruiser but it is nowhere near as good. The Springer made of steel has a massive spring which will absorb the lunging and eventually your dog even stops lunging. However, I would advise that in the beginning you also use a leash on the pinch collar for emergencies. The Springer has an emergency release which though nice might free your dog altogether. In addition, with a leash on the pinch collar you can give little pops to correct your dog ahead of time. The SV rules allow the use of the Springer and you can use a leash at the same time but it must be attached to the dead ring of the chain link collar. Good luck.

by sunshine on 07 October 2004 - 14:10

Hi and thank you for your help and making me feel like we can do this.

by Dawnmarie on 07 October 2004 - 16:10

*****If he sees a squirrel, well that could be the end of my biking career.***** Sunshine i am laughing hysterically here because when i was road working Creta last year for the Sieger Show, i was at my friends, they have acres and acres of land, they have this golf cart,ok. Hannah was driving and i was the passenger, and my son was in the back. we are going down the path Creta was doing awesome.. just gaiting along... miss powerhouse locamotive.. well about 100 yrds down the path a squirell decides to run across... anyone know thats Creta, knows her prey drive is out of this world to where its not safe LOL idiot me had the lease in my hand but kinda wrapped around and that bitch bolted like a .44 caliber bullet ok and ripped my arm up and pulled me out like i was a feather... it was like a damn cartoon... i thought i dislocated my shoulder.. somehow the leash broke free before the shoulder ripped out, its ok you guys can laugh because 10 yr old son waas laffing his little a$$ off as was eye while wiping the tears away hahahaha i never in my life experienced any pain like that and this bitch of mine is only about 22 inches and solid mass of muscle weighed about 62lbs.. and pulled me like that.. so i can relate.. and needless to say i never did that again... and never will valuable lesson certainly learned this bike thing does sound kewl tho.. i gotta get Catja down she is huge.. our new bitch.. and were do you guys buy this "thing"? i just scrolled though and didnt fully read the posts Regards, Dawnmarie

Keith Grossman

by Keith Grossman on 10 October 2004 - 20:10

*****If he sees a squirrel, well that could be the end of my biking career.***** It probably won't end your biking career but you might end up showing up at a show to get your AD with a big scrape on your forhead. Not that anything like this has ever happened to me, mind you... Having said that, I've had fairly good success with biking all of my dogs using nothing but a flat collar and a leash. By the time they are old enough to begin training for the AD, they should have a solid enough foundation in obedience to control most situations. Even then, if you're trotting along with a big alpha male and some moron's dog comes running out of their yard, the best you can hope for is to get stopped in time. Keith skyd1ve@hotmail.com

Keith Grossman

by Keith Grossman on 10 October 2004 - 21:10

"I have my one year old very exuberant male on a haltie (be nice collar) and take him with the bike for 3 miles every other day. The haltie keeps him from pulling and yet he doesn't mind it.Easy solution." Since the subject has been brought up, I would like to say that I would never use a halti or so-called "gentle leader" on any dog. It is laughable to me that the author of this post calls this a "be nice collar". It is nothing more than marketing hype. Ask yourself this simple question: How can a device that purports to use the least amount of compulsion on a dog simultaneously offer the greatest amount of control? It can't. The device works by applying torque to the dog's neck, interestingly, at precisely the point where the vertebrae are smallest and most delicate. Wrenching a dogs neck sound neither "nice" nor "gentle" to me but giving these devices nicey names certainly does appeal to the "totally positive reinforcement training" (as though there is any such thing) crowd. I'll take a prong collar, thank you. Keith skyd1ve@hotmail.com

anika bren

by anika bren on 13 October 2004 - 01:10

I mostly agree with Keith about the halti ro gentle leader. I have seen some great work done by people that know how to use them. I have also seen foals being halter broke and adult horses that were tied break their neck in halters. But people that just buy them off the store shelf have no idea what they are doing.I have seen people use halties connected to long lines or retractable leashes. This could lead very easily to a broken neck. I have also seen people holding the leash so tight that the dogs neck is always held cocked sideways and upwards with no chance for the dog to release the pressure on their neck. Then there are the dogs who start fliping around on the floor when they first get it put on. The owners responce is either to try to lift them off the floor by the halti or try to drag the dog out of the store. My belief is that anything that gives people more power can not be more humane.

by sunshine on 12 November 2004 - 07:11

This was the post. Good luck and happy treading. Sunny

Renz

by Renz on 12 November 2004 - 19:11

I need to know about the AD test also. Can we run with our dogs? Also is it run on variable surfaces? How do we find out more about the (AD)?

by Klossbruhe on 12 November 2004 - 23:11

Renz: The rules state as follows: "The handler will accompany the dog only (in boldface) on a bicycle." Further they state: "The test should preferably be run on streets or roads of varied terrain such as asphalt or dirt." You may find out more about the rules in German by obtaining the SV Taschenkalendar or a copy of the translation from the United Schutzhund Clubs of America.





 


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