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by Kiserhoff on 22 July 2007 - 20:07

I have a female I have asked about.Now I am going to title her this year.What do you think would happen if I bred her to this male.Or should I find one outside my kennel.....

 

Dam:::

www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/509901.html

Male:::::

www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/510102.html

This is just for learning purposes what kind of pups would they make high drive or not!

 


by Luvmidog on 22 July 2007 - 21:07

Unacceptable male.


by seriously on 22 July 2007 - 21:07

An untitled, un hipped/elbowed showline female with an untitled (canine good citizen isn't a title to me) unhipped/elbowed showline male.

Gosh, the dog world needs dogs like this to breed!!  NOT!


by bgstout on 22 July 2007 - 21:07

If you have to ask,  then you should not breed. 

Anyone that has researched the breed would know the answear.


by Luvmidog on 22 July 2007 - 21:07

This is a board with serious  breeders, trainers , and gsd enthusiastists  and people that know gsd's. Before you ask for assistance, bear in mind, you have not given enough consideration as to what you are about to do...Do you know what kind of dog you female is?no you arent in a

club or training yet?  has your trainer told you what to expect and where your efforts in training are going. Are you working of FH or Bh or what? 

Have you called the owners of the parents and grandparents on both dogs and made a list of the progheny and how their hip certificates  show their hips to be?   

What havae the parents of both and the grandparents produced in their progheny?

Where are the siblings to this female and this male.? 

Are they healthy...What hereditary traits and what medical hereditaty genes do either of these dogs carry...make a list provided by the parents and grandparents of both dogs....

Do you have contact with the breeders of both of these dogs.?This is the start of a long journey before you start even to consider the answer to your imposed question....

 You wil get many facts from the people on this board as how you need to continue...you may not like what you get, but if you are serious about this , you will take the info and get busy...You have a long trip ahead and can enjoy it, when  you get to the end of it......whoever owns the male has a trip to take also.

 

 


by Gshprdsrul on 22 July 2007 - 21:07

The dog better be at least 2 years old. Both parents HAVE to have OFA hip certifications and if they don't there is a reason because their hips are bad. So you pass the gene on and continue to ruin this breed. I am 0/3 in hips I was going to breed but I learned a lot with these three. Including how painful it is to watch an old timer go through hip dysplasia. My 2 yr old will get the surgery and so will the 1 yr old baby when the time comes. This isn't a game it isn't a quick easy way to make money. If you care more about the betterment of the breed then breed healthy OFA certified dogs only. And ones that have normal behaviors. I suggest you learn all you can about the genetic problems that come with G. Shepherds mostly caused by in breeding, irresponsible breeding, and a tiny bit of bad luck (mostly it is the first 2).


by viking on 22 July 2007 - 21:07

In addition to all the above your female is only 16 month old......


by Kiserhoff on 22 July 2007 - 21:07

Not a problem I am in the process of waiting for her ofa eligability.(sorry bad spelling day) I was just qurious I am not going to do it I just was qurious.She is not even close to the age I want for her to be bred or titled yet. I do talk to the breeders of these dogs and have begun looking into pedigrees and asking lots of ????? 's. The males father is a very nice looking dog but the mother leaves alot to be desired.I am NOT going to do it just a ??? . So I am guessing that is a no. The trainer she is working with now is very good but I am always asking him ?????'s about everything He said the same thing about this .I just was looking for more opinions. I was looking at a male out of Yasko that I liked but there agin This won't happen for another year or so.

This male is Paka Dexter he is now ofa ex I beleive he is on here...


by AKVeronica60 on 22 July 2007 - 21:07

 

I will say that it is good of you to ask for opinions, in order to get advice concerning your breeding.  You also say you want to get your female titled this next year.  That is a step in the right direction--good for you!

I'll qualify my personal opinion below by saying I'm not a showline breeder but a working line breeder.  Now past that, the female's showline pedigree looks good to me.  She looks like a good young dog to me from what little I can tell from the photo, with a generally good but NOT excellent conformation, perhaps not what the show people are looking for in the current fad, but perhaps it is just the blurry picture, which is not the best.  She is also still developing, so things could change with her as she matures more, such as her croup could come up.  I will say she has nice short coupling, with a back that looks straight.  As far as I can tell from the blurry pic, it looks like she has good feet. 

Once you get her titled, show rated, and hip evaluated at levels considered to be good, if her temperament and conformation are also good, she may well deserve to be bred. 

The male is inadequate in all areas of genetics, though he may be a great dog in his way, but he is not titled, hip rated, his ancestors in the more immediate generations fo his dam have done nothing to qualify themselves as breeding animals but be alive and breathing as far as the pedigree tells us.  The one grandsire on the sire's side is also noch zuglassen, which could be fair or mildly displastic as compared to the OFA rating system.  The one noch zuglassen would not be so bad in the pedigree if it were not coupled with the dam's unproven and as far as we know, non-existant hip evaluations lineage.

You should attempt to find a superior titled hip evaluated male for your female, a carefully bred dog who is better than your own female in all areas of work ability, show ability, and conformation, and breed her to that dog.  The stud fee and travel expenses will be very favorably offset by the far greater value of the puppies and the high quality of dogs you will have produced will make you feel proud of yourself concerning the kiddos you put out into the world. 

If this female were bred to the male you show us, even after she herself has been hip evaluated and titled, the puppies will be only backyard type breedings...genetically good female to genetically poor untitled male without a hip evaluation...you are giving nothing to the world but more mediocre or worse dogs. 


by AKVeronica60 on 22 July 2007 - 22:07

Wow, there were only two answers when I started writing mine, LOL.  I would not have bothered if I had read what everyone else posted while I was busy pondering!

Veronica






 


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