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by Wok on 15 May 2007 - 02:05

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Hello friends,

I would like to ask for your advices on how to augment the milk for my 7 newborn puppies.  They were born yesterday and we have observed that the milk from their mother is not enough for them.  It can take them 45 minutes to an hour before they are full.  Is this situation normal?  How can we increase the mother's milk supply?  Any commercial milk substitute suitable for them?  Thank you and I hope to hear from you all.

by yellowrose of Texas on 15 May 2007 - 02:05

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Raw liver   read the old germans breeders books  thats what u feed for two weeks ahead and for two weeks after birth....go to super walmart in the extra condiment and uyou will dfind plent y ...freeze and each day give a pound with normal kibbles.....cottage cheese and yogurt for calcium   milk ought to come down today  sometimes its slow, but if not get bottles with premie nipples and start letting them get use to a nipple , not their moms,,,,,its hard and a very time consuming chore but must be done   Goats milk replacement pup milk can be bought at any pet supplier........goats milk has more mineral and vits need thanany other kind of milk.....good luck      liver  liver  liver....pork or calf   doesnt matter   you can steam it for a minute in skillet if you like   not needed thought you want it almost raw...

by Wok on 15 May 2007 - 03:05

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Thank you for your input, Yellowrose of Texas.

by trysil on 15 May 2007 - 03:05

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Animal Naturals PUPPY GOLD is outstanding for increasing the mothers milk supply and can also be fed directly to the puppies. Also continue to add to the puppies food when they are a bit older.  Many places to order online including directly from manufacturer. Best if the mother is started on this early in pregnancy but you will still quickly see an improvement in milk production. 

 

     http://www.an-nat.com/naturalsupplements_pupgold.html

 

by altostland on 15 May 2007 - 03:05

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A friend sent me this recipe to feed the mother.  They swear it makes her produce milk -

Pudding Mixture for Lactating Bitches  I got this from a UKC Judge and renown TFT breeder, Dot Jacobs.  She feeds this to her nursing TFT mommas.   I was skeptical (as usual) and did not want to share this recipe without trying it myself.  WOW, does it ever work!!! 

Ingredient List:

1 large box of vanilla pudding (cooking kind not the instant kind)
1 can of goat's milk mixed according to instructions (enough to make amount needed for pudding…about four cups)
½ cup sugar
4 egg yokes (can scramble whites to make omelet for momma dog Though you can add them to the mixture if you mix them into the pudding, sugar and yokes before you add milk to pan.  Just add that much less milk to make thick pudding or complete four cups for a thinner mixture, it doesn't make any difference to the dog :). 

In pan, whisk pudding, sugar, and eggs until smooth. Add milk slowly while whisking. Cook until thick, stirring constantly. Must stir constantly or it will stick and scorch.

Let  the pudding cool to near-room temperature.  Place in covered containers and put in refrigerator . Twice a day mix about ¼ cup (smaller dogs could do with a tablespoon or so) mixed with dog food. Dot warms hers up but my momma did not want it warmed and boy did she scarf it down. I also added a tablespoon of canned pumpkin (cheap kind not brand name I use Hytop Brookshire brothers brand (I didn't want the runs from the very rich mixture). These babies (all six on a Mini RAT) are fat, shiny and very healthy.

I do feel we would have lost at least two of the smaller ones if it were not for this mixture. I'm totally sold on it….:) I have been letting my TFT girls lick the spoon and now when they whelp they will be ready for the mixture. They love it and I don't think I will have any problems getting them to eat it. I know I didn't with the RAT momma, and it was brand new to her.

I doubled my batch when I made it to have a supply on hand.  It keeps refrigerated for about two weeks.  For a GSD I would feed about 3/4 of a cup twice a day for the first four or five days then cut it back to 3/4 cup once a day.

 

by corieone on 15 May 2007 - 03:05

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The fastest and easiest way to bring milk in is an herb called Fenugreek.   It is used for milk production in humans as well.   I order it in powder form online however if you have health food stores near you they should carry it.  I have bought it there in capsule form as well.  To bring the milk in fast you want to give more than the directions say.   If giving capsules give her 2-3 capsules three times a day.    Make sure she also has lots of water available.  It should increase her milk in 24-72 hours.  Make sure that the puppies are nursing often and draining mom well.   

As long as the pups seem to be getting enough milk that they are not losing weight it is best not to supplement them if at all possible.  At least not for the first couple of weeks.  Anything other than mom's milk can give them diarrhea.   Of course if they are not getting enough to eat you will have to supplement them.  

Good Luck and keep us posted.  

 

by EchoMeadows on 15 May 2007 - 06:05

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Keep in mind !!!!!!   If the pups don't nurse often enough the mother will stop her increase in production and may even decrease...  See if she won't come into her milk encourage pups to nurse often and allow them nurse for 45 minutes if that's what it takes,  This is what MUST happen in order for her to fully "come into" her milk.  You may be right,  she may simply not be producing enough and the pups may need supplemented,  However just take care not to over supplement causing a decrease in they're want/willingness to nurse and cause a decrease in her milk production. 

Good Luck keep us posted.

by Sunsilver on 15 May 2007 - 07:05

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Also...need I say? It's VERY important to track the pup's weights to make sure they're getting enough food! If they start to lose weight, it's time to supplement.

by Skippy on 15 May 2007 - 09:05

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The only thing you need to do is feed the mother enough quality food and as much as she wants she will then feed the pups,.. 7 is not a big litter she should be quite capable.If the puppies are content with the mothers' feeding there is no need to supplement too much interference does more harm than good

by gsdlvr2 on 15 May 2007 - 22:05

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OK, I would also check with my vet if they have a "wet nurse". It is a long shot but when I have a bitch who has extra milk or just is available for some reason, I call my vet and let them know she is available if the need arises. 
Everyone else has given you good advise also.
I'm not familiar with the pudding thing but it makes sense.

by WCGSDS on 15 May 2007 - 23:05

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Try Milkade by Happy Jack.  Mixes with just one pint of water, enough for one litter.  You should start feeding 5 days before whelping and continue for up to 10 days after.  Mix with the liver, cottage cheese and high quality kibble.  Milk will come without the mess.  Good luck.  www.happyjackinc.com

by DKiah on 16 May 2007 - 12:05

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Ok, I'm gonna take a little different approach here..these are newborn pups right??? As in days old?? Why is everyone assuming they are not getting enough? Why are you assuming that?? Newborns nurse about 10% of the time and sleep 90%.

They are primitive babies who do everything slowly and are still growing and maturing.. I don;t even think my pups are ever on that long at one time unless they fall asleep.

Are they on their mother and are they quiet (mostly) otherwise?? Are her mammary glands full feeling? You can test her milk, squeeze some out and check the color. It should be whitish, creamish and look clean and good.. 

You are weighing your pups?? Everyday?? That will tell you if they are nursing enough and if you have a straggler you pay attention to it and make sure it gets on and gets to nurse. They should gain weight every day.. in a week to 10 days they should double their birth weight.

You need to feed mom good food although for the first few days to a week after her appetite and belly  may be a bit sensitive so takeit easy on her.. don't try to overload her .. but frequently and in small amounts give her yogurt and cottage cheese and some rice and chicken broth and work up to her regular food and then as they get older you need to increase her food substantially .....

You can certainly add the puppy gold to her food, I also use K9GoDog.. its a big boost and after a good walk they love it!!

Most of all you need to be calm (your post sounded panicky) and have plenty of reference material at your disposal.. there are some very good books.. I have several that are tattered and torn from years and years of use....

Now, how do things look??

by Shelley Strohl on 16 May 2007 - 15:05

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I use goat's milk and egg yolks to supplement. Be careful that the pups get as much of the mother's milk as possible the first 2-3 days so they get the colostrum. The raw liver thing is a good idea in theory, but wait'll you see what happens to her stools when you introduce THAT all of a sudden!  The diahrea is liable to dehydrate her, thus reducing her milk supply even further.

Been there, done that. UGH!

SS 

 

by yellowrose of Texas on 17 May 2007 - 06:05

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That's ''why I stated it should have been started two weeks before and continue two weeks after whelping and I hope everyone knows to start with small amounts and increase daily as to not contribute to diahrea, which comes the first day anyway......add the yogurt and cottage cheese the third and fourth day   Usually the female doesnt eat much the first 24 hours anyway , just offer plenty of water and then her appetite will increase as her stomach settles....some breeders dont let them eat the afterbirth, some say eat it , as it contains goodies.....I usually grab it away on most of them , and let her eat one or two of the first ones......I never leave the box ....sleep right there pillow and blanket, tv and snacks and bones that ache on a hard floor cramped up but thats the glory of being the ganny......

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