Main > Strongid Paste wormer (19 replies)

by Hutchins on 07 March 2013 - 22:03

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Has anyone ever used the Strongid Paste (pyrantel pamote) Wormer for horses to worm your dogs. If so what is the break down to administer correct dosage for dogs?  I am considering to try it, but was wondering the advice of someone that did use it before I try it.

Thanks in advance.

by Hutchins on 07 March 2013 - 23:03

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OK so I guess no one uses this type of wormer. I did research it and did find some info and positive feedback on it.  Think I will try it.  

SaddenSad Smile to see to no one responded. Was hoping at least one person had used it and was willing to share their experience and results with it.

by bubbabooboo on 07 March 2013 - 23:03

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I have used it but I use the liquid formulation.  Fenbenzadole is the better wormer and you can rotate to it or use it as your only wormer.  Fenbenzadole takes 3 to 5 doses to get everything including whip worms.  You must calculate the dosage based on the formulation and use a small scale or accurate volume meaasure such as a pippette. 

by Rik on 07 March 2013 - 23:03

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have never used pyrantel past the puppy stage, I know this doesn't help, I just didn't want you to feel rejected.Clever

by kitkat3478 on 08 March 2013 - 04:03

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I use Zimmectin Gold which is also a horse wormer and have found that to be very effective.
I dose about the 100lb mark for my adult German Shepherds.
I know a woman that uses this type for her Huskies and likes it.
There are some Horse wormers that will kill your dogs also. I tried qwest once, NEVER again.
I will stick with Ivermectin, I know it works and no side effects. Plus it does tapeworm and if used monthly, works for heartworm prevdntion.

by bubbabooboo on 08 March 2013 - 10:03

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Fenbenzadole is my go to wormer and it is sold in liquid form for sheep and cattle.  It is expensive but it is very safe and very effective.  Pyrantel pamoate is sold in liquid form for horses.  I mix the liquids with raw chicken livers in a blender and the dogs eat them with no problems poured over their food.  I prefer the liquid formulation wormers because they can be shaken to insure they are well mixed.  Depending on the amount needed you can do serial dilutions if your measuring equipment is not accurate enough to measure the small amounts sometimes needed.  I have a simple rule about which wormers, vaccines, etc. to buy and that is if Fort Dodge makes it or markets it then I don't buy it.  Their vaccines are cheap and more likely to cause problems and Fort Dodge apparently has no problem with sickening your dog to make a profit.  The moxidectin injectable Fort Dodge sold for heartworm is a perfect example of what greedy bastards they are as it was all marketing and no science.  It made a lot of dogs sick and killed a few before they pulled it from the market and to this day they claim it was perfectly safe and in some cases have tried to reintroduce it.  I only use invermectin at the ultra low rates used for heartworms.  Most of the horse products have much higher ratios of invermectin than necessary for heartworm control.

by SitasMom on 08 March 2013 - 10:03

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My vet GIVES me liquid strongid when ever I ask.
1cc per 10lb. 3 days in a row.

by Bhaugh on 08 March 2013 - 11:03

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This is kinda OT from the actual post.....since most "other animal" wormers work for dogs then why not market for them instead of making the owner go to the vet? Such a rip off. When I grew up, the vet was the absolutely last option. Now the way vets are marketed here in the states, the vet is the first and only option! Wish more owners would educate themselves instead of falling into the money trap.

Barb

by bubbabooboo on 08 March 2013 - 12:03

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My bad .. Fenbendazole ( active ingredient in Panacur ) not fenbezadole as I wrote earlier.  It is about $1.25 or less a gram active in 1000 ml quantity for cattle, a lot more expensive for dogs in the dry formulations sold for dogs and puppies.

by isachev on 08 March 2013 - 13:03

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I've used it, and know a few others who have. On GSD pups, just a dab on fingertip.
Squeeze entire tube into dish and mix well.
About the size of a q-tip end to each pup. Seal and store the rest.    Hope this helps. Take care

by Hutchins on 08 March 2013 - 13:03

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Awwwwe Rik, you're such a sweetheart. Heart Thanks for your comment. 

Barb, I agree with you 100%.  I never could understand why all the other animal wormers were not available and sold as dog wormers. Just never made sense to me.  

Thanks for all the experiences shared here.  Its alittle educational for everyone.  Wink Smile

by bubbabooboo on 08 March 2013 - 19:03

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Companies have many different formulations and combinations ... it is called MARKETING

Panacur c 22% granule 3x2 gram packages ( roughly 1.4 g active ) cost $12.99 or $8 to $9 per gram active

fenbendazole for cattle 100 mg/ml sc (15 ml = 1.5 g actice) $1.75  (roughly 11-12 cents per ml)  comes in 1000 ml bottle for $110-$120 for $1.10-$1.20 per gram active

the same ai costs 8 times more in dogs than cows

for one dog maybe not worth the hassle but for 20 dogs a necessity .. worm 20 at $12.99 =$260 or worm 20 for $2 (including chicken livers as carrier) for $40 .. buy your dogs better food with the savings

by Bhaugh on 09 March 2013 - 14:03

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What does better food have to do with worming your dog? I feed raw but my dogs can still get heartworms. Kibble kills these days so I'm confused by your comment.

Barb

by bubbabooboo on 09 March 2013 - 14:03

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I suppose better food has nothing to do with worming your dogs??  However for people like myself with multiple dogs the cost of worming your dogs or giving heartworm treatments is very costly using small animal products such as Panacur C or one of the invermectin based dog heartworm products.  By using large animal formulated products with the exact same ai I can save $1000 and probably much more per year on flea, worming and heartworm treatment costs.  Since I don't sell my dogs as puppies but rather as 6-12 months old the costs of food and medications is significant.  The savings that I gain from formulating my own product from large animal formulations is used to buy my dogs better food ( I feed mostly human grade meat).  The better quality food in my experience results in much healthier and happier dogs with deep chests and a more athletic physique.  That is why I go to the trouble of making lower cost products to replace veterinarian label dog health products which cost 10X as much as my treatments.  I have seen no bad effects from using self formulated product in fact knowledge of the ai ingredients leads to better safety because I read and know all of the possible problems with the products.  To the best of my knowledge it is perfectly legal to use a product labeled for use in cows or horses with a different formulation in another veterinarian animal.  You can't sell reformualted product, it is only for personal use with your own animals.  I might add that I worked in the pesticide and agricultural research field for 30 years so perhaps I am more comfortable with formulation conversion and the weighing and measuring aspects of pesticide formulations than many people.  It is not rocket science but correct math and correct measuring is a necessity.

by Darka on 09 March 2013 - 17:03

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Strongid liquid is 0.1ml/kg for K9's and 0.4ml/kg for cats.

by kitkat3478 on 09 March 2013 - 22:03

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It really is a shame that the vets charge so much money. I understand they went to school for years and have to pay for that, but my God, they really make it impossible for people to get their pets spayed and neutered.
Just for a person to bring a pup in for shots is at least $50. Considering to do it yourself is about $5.
And to buy tapeworm pillspills for your average size dog is $35-$40. I buy the Zimmectin Gold and can do all my dogs for $12 .
Of course the vets and makers of some of these products tell you not to use them.
There is a Beagle Unlimited I think it is called is an excellent source of parasite control.
I know the Zimmectin Gold is safe. I shot the entire tube down my dogs throat once when the little weight lock, did not lock. (I now put it on my finger).

I worm my dogs every month. They are out and about in the woods and horse pasture.
New York is not prone to heartworm, but the amount of ivermectin I give as a basic worm control, let's me not have to worry about that at all. The Zimmectin has worked well for my dogs for many years. I will stick with it and would highly reccomend it to thosee with multiple dogs

by Hutchins on 10 March 2013 - 00:03

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Kitkat, I used ZMGold once. That darn little lock that didn't lock for you did the same thing to me. I was giving it to my 16 mo old Australian Cattle dog. Couple hours later I noticed she was disorientated, drooling, and lost some use of her rear limbs. Her eyes were dilated and she had a "the lights are on, but no one is home" look. She did get enough to worm a 800lb horse.  She did throw-up about 20 minutes after I gave her the paste. Thank God she did.  She did recover completely within 36 hours.  Needless to say I am alittle nervous about giving it to her again, that is why I was considering the Strongid paste.

by kitkat3478 on 10 March 2013 - 03:03

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Hutchins- that is what happened to my dogs when I used the qwest horse wormer. I seriously thought all of them was going to die.
I dumped charcoal for my fish filters down their throats.
I seriously think if I did not have the charcoal, they would have died.
My Shepherd that got the entire tube of the Gold, had no reaction.
I won't use any other wormer. Although my sister used the Strongid and liked it.

by Darka on 11 March 2013 - 22:03

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Maybe that is why Quest is marketed and sold as a HORSE dewormer. Jeeze people, have some common sense here. And if you cannot afford a vet and their costs, don't have a dog. Do a bit of researching into how much it costs to have a pet. Is this not what responsible people do?

by kitkat3478 on 12 March 2013 - 00:03

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Darka-whatever....
I got better things to do with my money than give it to the vet . I learned a lesson.
And really, how about a little education, why don't you tell me how much it costs to own a pet .

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