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Off Topic > Attack on the USS Liberty Ship--A Well Documented False Flag Attack (43 replies)

by Preston on 19 January 2013 - 17:01

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On June 8, 1967, Lyndon Baines Johnson ask US allies Israel to attack the USS Liberty on his behalf.  This was a flase flag attack. Intercepts show that he told the Israelis to put that "ship to the bottom" and kill all crew.  Here was the deal.  He told them we will blame this attack on the Egyptians and use it as a means to motivate the military high command and the public.  I will order a retaliatory attack and invasion of Egypt and we will share the spoils.  As some folks will remember LBJ was deeply involved in the JFK Assassination according to his personal lawyer who came forward after he died and said so publicly, but the major mass media ignored this story.  This was recorded in the made for TV series on the JFK Assassination called the Men that Killed Kennedy.  The most damning episode was blocked by LBJ's family and business associates.  This episode was banned but it is still available.  It is called the Guilty Men". http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=AQzLBYZP3mE

The problem was this false flag attack failed, the ship did not sink and the Israelis abandoned the attack after murdering numerous wonderful and innocent American Sailors.  This was a terrible war crime and LBJ used the Israelis as "cutouts' so that his part would be deniable and Israel could be blamed if the truth ever came out.  Why is this false flag attack important?  Because the surviving sailors were threatened and ordered not to talk about the attack under national security which was used a cloak to cover up this criminal war crime.  Many years later the truth came out and the survivors started talking and now Israel has been blamed with LBJ not being blamed too when he suckered the Israelis into doing his dirty work.
Another reason this is important is because the USG did the same thing again on 911, using a certain faction of Israel intel to do much of the dirty work along with the American neocons. This has been a disaster for the Israel citizens who had nothing to do with this and are now suffering the consequences politically for what a few leaders did. The American military is now split and many left in the high command know what happened.  As folks can imagine this discovery of what really happened on 911 has sent shock waves through the high command.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPLU4N7gmY4&feature=player_detailpage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVg6-voXD1w&feature=player_detailpage (the perps are named at 8:25)



The Liberty Ship Attack--the truth comes out (finally)


http://rense.com/general47/betey.htm


http://home.roadrunner.com/~gidusko/liberty/

http://www.usslibertyinquiry.com/evidence/usreports/moorer.html

http://www.ussliberty.org/report/report.htm

http://www.wrmea.org/wrmea-archives/229-washington-report-archives-2000-2005/october-2001/3887-history-channels-qcover-up-attack-on-the-uss-libertyq-gives-crew-chance-to-tell-their-story.html

by Red Sable on 19 January 2013 - 18:01

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Interesting interview with Alan S. on the 911 attack. Confused Smile

by Red Sable on 19 January 2013 - 20:01

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Wow, just listened to Steve P.  Kudo's to him for having the guts to lay it out there.
God help us all.

by beetree on 19 January 2013 - 23:01

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by Preston on 20 January 2013 - 00:01

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Queenbee, you just couldn't help yourself, had to try to get the last word.  You just couldn't leave it alone. Now I have one more main post left if there is no more wise ass stuff from you.  Soon you can eturn to your rightful position as "queen of the mire".  Your ignorance and byusybody posts like yours have driven most top breeders away, leaving you and your hived folks to spin in the wind. 

Here is a special reply for you since that I'm sure you will really appreciate it. I did not compose this, I am merely presenting it for folks to decide themselves. Nor will I state how much of it I believe or not.  That is up to each person to decide.

http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5367

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjBw2GuLGIo

by J Basler on 20 January 2013 - 05:01

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Good job Preston.

by Blitzen on 20 January 2013 - 13:01

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The USS Liberty incident was an attack on a United States Navy technical research ship, USS Liberty, by Israeli Air Force jet fighter aircraft and Israeli Navy motor torpedo boats, on June 8, 1967, during the Six-Day War.[3] The combined air and sea attack killed 34 crew members (naval officers, seamen, two Marines, and one civilian), wounded 171 crew members, and severely damaged the ship.[4] At the time, the ship was in international waters north of the Sinai Peninsula, about 25.5 nmi (29.3 mi; 47.2 km) northwest from the Egyptian city of Arish.[1][5]

Israel apologized for the attack, saying that the USS Liberty had been attacked in error after being mistaken for an Egyptian ship. Both the Israeli and U.S. governments conducted inquiries and issued reports that concluded the attack was a mistake due to Israeli confusion about the ship's identity,[2] though others, including survivors of the attack, have rejected these conclusions and maintain that the attack was deliberate.[6]

In May 1968, the Israeli government paid US$3,323,500 (US$22.2 million in 2013) as full payment to the families of the 34 men killed in the attack. In March 1969, Israel paid a further $3,566,457 in compensation to the men who had been wounded. On 18 December 1980, it agreed to pay $6 million as settlement for the final U.S. bill of $17,132,709 for material damage to the Liberty itself plus 13 years' interest.[7

by Blitzen on 20 January 2013 - 13:01

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The tragic assault by Israeli forces during the Six Day War in 1967 on an American vessel, the USS Liberty, has been a source of controversy and conspiracy theories since it occurred. Several government investigations have concluded that the attack, in which 34 American servicemen were killed and many more injured, was carried out in error. Furthermore, every piece of information declassified to date - most recently in June 2004 - has supported this conclusion.

Much of this information is available to anyone with an Internet connection. Nonetheless, many continue to allege that Israel attacked the Liberty knowing that it was an American ship and that they were killing American servicemen. For detractors of Israel, the incident - and the alleged U.S. government cover-up that followed - powerfully demonstrates the treachery and power of the Jewish State and its American supporters. The story, told from this perspective, has become a propaganda tool to undermine the legitimacy of Israel.

This article debunks the leading conspiracy theories suggesting that Israel acted malevolently.

Background

On June 8, 1967, during the Six Day War, Israeli war planes and torpedo boats attacked the USS Liberty, an intelligence gathering ship, while it was on a surveillance mission off the shores of El Arish, in the Sinai Peninsula. 34 Americans died and 171 were injured. Israel claimed it mistook the Liberty for an enemy vessel. Several Israeli and U.S. investigations corroborated that claim.

In 1999, moreover, a National Security Agency report from 1981 was released claiming that "the tragedy resulted not only from Israeli miscalculation but also from faulty U.S. communications practices." Since July 2003, this report has been available on the NSA Web site accompanied by a recording of radio communications between Israeli pilots made by a U.S. spy plane on the scene throughout the episode.

The NSA report and other documents declassified since the incident - including a trove of government materials released in January 2004 - support findings that the bombing was a case of mistaken identity. Some of the different investigations and their conclusions are listed below.

The most thorough non-governmental treatment of the bombing is A. Jay Cristol's The Liberty Incident (2002). Cristol, a U.S. bankruptcy judge and former U.S. Navy lawyer, concludes that "the totality of evidence establishes that the attack on the USS Liberty was a tragic case of mistaken identity that resulted from a compounding of bad mistakes perpetrated by both the United States and Israel, and nothing more." He analyzes, and meticulously debunks, previous books, articles and TV productions that argue that the attack was intentional and government investigations only cover-ups.

by Blitzen on 20 January 2013 - 13:01

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Conspiracy Theories

Despite the abundance of evidence that the bombing was a tragic mistake, conspiracy theories alleging that Israel intentionally attacked the Liberty have been a hallmark of conspiratorial anti-Israel propaganda since 1967. (Perhaps unsurprisingly, a number of Liberty crewmen believe the attack was intentional.)
  • Why is the Liberty incident so popular among anti-Israel conspiracy theorists? The reasons are clear. If Israel knowingly attacked and killed Americans, the views of radical critics of the country are confirmed with graphic clarity. These views include: a) the belief that Israel will turn against the U.S. whenever it suits its interests; b) the belief that Israel's control over the American political and military structure is so great that it can openly kill Americans because it knows that officials at every level will work together to cover up the crime; and c) the belief that Israel is a terrorist state.


  • What would Israel's motive have been? The argument that Israel knowingly attacked an American ship has always lacked a convincing motive. Possibilities have included:
    • Keeping U.S. from learning of surprise attack against Syria. In 1976, James Ennes, probably the most active critic of the official account - and one of the ship's survivors - claimed in his book Assault on the Liberty that Israel was then planning a surprise attack against Syria and feared U.S. interference; its bombing of the Liberty, he claimed, was an effort to disrupt American's ability to gather intelligence about the plan. Previously classified material released in 1997 by both Israel and the U.S. demonstrated that Israel had already informed the U.S. of its intentions, however. The theory should have disappeared thereafter, yet it resurfaced in a poorly researched History Channel production that aired in 2001 called Cover Up: Attack on the USS Liberty.

      Hiding war crimes. Another possible motive was offered by James Bamford in his 2000 book Body of Secrets. Bamford claimed that Israel mounted the attack because it worried that the Liberty would learn of the nearby killing of hundreds of Egyptian POWs by the Israeli army. In fact, no evidence has been found to corroborate a war crime charge, and Cristol has shown that Bamford's account has little credibility. For example, Bamford quotes Marvin Nowicki, a Hebrew linguist on the U.S. surveillance aircraft that recorded the attacking Israeli pilots, to support his theory that the Israelis knew the ship to be American. Cristol reveals, however, that Nowicki stated in an exchange of letters with Bamford that "our intercepts, never before made public, showed the attack to be an accident on the part of the Israelis."

      Drawing U.S. into war. The idea that Israel hoped to draw the U.S. into the Six-Day War has been suggested by Adm. (ret.) Thomas Moorer, a former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and a leader in the effort to expose the alleged governmental cover-ups of the attack. (He chairs the group whose new "findings" occasioned the October 22, 2003, press conference, below). Moorer has stated that Israel planned to sink the ship and then implicate Egypt, thereby pushing the U.S. to fight with Israel. However, by June 8, 1967 - the day of the attack- Israel had already destroyed most of the Egyptian air force and was advancing rapidly in the Sinai; the country was only days from victory and did not need U.S. assistance. Moreover, the initial Israeli attack could not have sunk the ship (the ordnance fired on the Liberty was inadequate to sink it), and Israel did not make any attempt to conceal its involvement in the attack after realizing the LIberty was American.

by J Basler on 20 January 2013 - 16:01

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Preston you got Blitzen doing research for you good job.

by Blitzen on 20 January 2013 - 17:01

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Glad  you enjoyed reading it, Basler. It's alway good to know all sides of a story, isn't it?

by J Basler on 20 January 2013 - 18:01

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I didn't read it Blitzen i already know what it says when you put something on these threads. Except without most of the potty mouth like beetree.

by beetree on 20 January 2013 - 19:01

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JBasler, you need to start telling the truth, tsk, tsk. 



Now, folks, see what the Capital Letters Spell?  C U N T , what a clever Basler, that Basler is!

by J Basler on 20 January 2013 - 19:01

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I didn't write that. BEETREE is trying to start a problem. You can't prove it either.

by Blitzen on 20 January 2013 - 20:01

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So no one is entitled to an opinion without getting deep sixed unless it mirrors yours, Basler?  Of course you meant CUNT when  you made that post. Admin should delete it.

by J Basler on 20 January 2013 - 21:01

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You both are being Bullies even i can understand normal things bullies do. 

by Slamdunc on 20 January 2013 - 23:01

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Hmmmmm

by J Basler on 20 January 2013 - 05:01
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We have had more than five presidents  Can't  Understand  Normal  Thinking.

by joanro on 20 January 2013 - 23:01

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Just goes to show, people will read into any thing that fits their agenda.

by Slamdunc on 21 January 2013 - 02:01

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Or ignore things when it doesn't fit their agenda.

by beetree on 21 January 2013 - 12:01

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Very true words, Slamdunc.

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