Off Topic > Obamacare.....From those who have to those who don't have (218 replies)
Obamacare.....From those who have to those who don't have
by joanro on 28 June 2012 - 14:41
|It's time for Atlas to give a big heave instead of shrugging !!! The supreme court ruling upheld obamacare as constitutional under tax law, not commerce. So y'all get ready to have the federal government start telling you what kind of groceries you can bring into your home. If they got away with calling the insurance mandate a tax, what's to stop them from calling money for kale a tax. SUCKS A BIG FAT ONE !!!|
by Keith Grossman on 28 June 2012 - 16:54
|You lost; get over it.|
by joanro on 28 June 2012 - 17:15
|No, actually ALL Americans lost.....now you go take a leap without the parachute.|
by NigerDeltaMann on 28 June 2012 - 17:22
|It's only an imbecile that would expect Obama to loose. The supreme court's one-part of the goverment system, as an arm. Obama, in speeches, only pretented for any eventuality but in real sense, he knew he'll get a smooth ride, with slight concession to those who oppose his "healthcare". Executive + legislature + judiciary/suppreme court = government. Then, why would Obama loose?|
by judron55 on 28 June 2012 - 17:26
|Thanks Pres.....everyone should have health care.....|
by Sunsilver on 28 June 2012 - 17:37
|AS a Canadian, who's been covered by universal health care for decades now, I can't fathom why this is even an issue. Yes, I think the big drug and insurance co's were allowed FAR too much say in the way the new health care coverage works, but still, it's a hundred times better than the current system, which has an e-friend of mine waiting for over a month and a half to find out if she needs chemo for breast cancer, ALL BECAUSE HER INSURANCE CO. HAS TO APPROVE THE VISIT TO THE ONCOLOGIST!!|
by Blitzen on 28 June 2012 - 17:41
|Actually I can't think of any valid reason for those who can afford it to not buy health insurance. That decision has been left to the individual for many years yet many have failed to do the right thing. Now it will be mandatory. I'd rather see their medical bills paid for out of their own pockets than out of yours and mine.|
There is a lot more to this bill and I expect we will be learning more about it in the near future. It's not only about mandating that those who can afford it buy health insurance. I think the best thing we Americans can do is to study the Affordable Care Plan and understand the nuanaces. We need to be careful about allowing Rush et al and the politicos tell us what it's about and how it will effect each of us now and in the future.
by joanro on 28 June 2012 - 17:45
|The insurance providers are the only ones winning here. Yes,every one should have health care, but not at the expense of others being forced to pay the insurance companies to cover "every one".|
by Keith Grossman on 28 June 2012 - 17:50
|"Thanks Pres.....everyone should have health care....."|
Yes, they should and I find it more than a little ironic that those who are always bleating about how much it's going to cost them typically make less than I pay in taxes.
by Keith Grossman on 28 June 2012 - 17:52
|"The insurance providers are the only ones winning here. Yes,every one should have health care, but not at the expense of others being forced to pay the insurance companies to cover 'every one'."|
You clearly know nothing about the law but who do you think pays for the health care costs of the uninsured now?
by GSD Admin on 28 June 2012 - 17:53
|Wrong, cancer patients and those that can't get insurance for pre-existing conditions are the winners. The people who are so worried that their conditions may cause them to have to pay more in premiums or worry that a job loss may leave them without coverage to save their lives are the winners. That is the bottom line. The rest is all spin and callousness. IMO. I happen to fall into the pre-existing condition part of this and am so happy the chief Justice used common sense and not political games to reach his decision. Thank you.|
by Keith Grossman on 28 June 2012 - 17:54
|"AS a Canadian, who's been covered by universal health care for decades now, I can't fathom why this is even an issue."|
I know; right? Maybe this will help explain the mindset of those so opposed to it...I saw a post a couple of hours ago in which someone was so upset over the ruling he said he was going to move to Canada. Uh, yeah...lol!
by Keith Grossman on 28 June 2012 - 17:55
by GSD Admin on 28 June 2012 - 18:02
by joanro on 28 June 2012 - 18:04
|Good, kieth, then you SHOULD take up the slack and pay for my insurance and all sixty families living down the road. And if you have any other extra money laying around, you can pay the health insurance for all the residents in Hickory, NC, whose jobs went to China. While you're at it, might as well pay health insurance for everyone in upstate SC,too, since their jobs went to China as well. This gov,.sure knows how to screw things up for regular people. But you win! A person can be a pauper and still hate communism, fascism, socialism.....|
by Keith Grossman on 28 June 2012 - 18:14
|"Good, kieth, then you SHOULD take up the slack and pay for my insurance and all sixty families living down the road."|
I'm sure I already do and guess what? I don't have a problem with that.
You people have no issue whatsoever with the government spending massive amounts of money on weapons used to destroy lives but God forbid we spend even a small fraction of that making some better.
by joanro on 28 June 2012 - 18:33
|First, kieth, YOU DON'T pay ONE PENNY for any thing for me. I don't take hand outs, never have and never will. I have worked for every thing I've ever had or have. "You people have no issue whatever with the government spending massive amounts......" Are you referring to southerners as " You people" ? So you assume that all jobless people love pointless,life wasting , country destroying wars? You need to get your head out of your ass and jump off your self-righteous high pedestal, then. That qualifies you for the " Bill Maher Head Up Your Ass Trophy".|
by fawndallas on 28 June 2012 - 18:43
|My personal biggest concern is how companies are going to handle Health Insurance for their employees. I have personally already seen some repercussions. Both my husband and son have long term health issues; but we manage them with Rx and diet. The occasional emergency and extensive test have to be done though. The chances that my company provided insurance premiums will go to a point that I cannot afford them is very high (and have already been hinted at in my job). That said, private insurance is even higher.|
I pay my taxes; I do not ask for hand outs; I take nothing from the government. We manage our health risks responsibly, but we are still considered a high risk coverage. What choice will I have now?
The reason this new concept works in Canada is that medical costs in general are controlled. In the US, there is no control over the costs; free enterprise and all. In order for this to really work, both sides of the equation needs to be controlled. This law only controls one side; so yes, normal Americans that fall on the risker side of the line, but not to the extreme will loose.
Insurance companies work on the bases of risk; not as an individual, but as a group; the average risk is what counts. Best example I can give is with Home Insurance. If you live in a flood zone, your premiums are higher; this is because the risk to the insurance company is higher. Insurance companies are for profit.
As more Americans are forced to take private insurance, the risk bases will go more towards the individual and not a group. Individual risk is always higher than group as the "averages" are higher.
Yeah, gotta love government.
by Blitzen on 28 June 2012 - 18:48
|See what I mean? Too many only believe what they see on FOX News. Joanro, READ THE BILL.|
What does the Affordable Health Care bill have do with our paying for the families down the road? As Keith said, we are paying for them NOW if they are uninsured. If that's a result of being out of work or another unpreventable circumstance, then count me in, I'll do my share to help them out. However if they are sitting around 24/7 smoking, drinking, eating so much junk food that they are obese and diabetic, then I resent paying their freight. "Obamacare" mandates that those who can afford to pay their own way do so. We will be relieved of paying for most of the uninsured we are paying for now if they pay their own way.
The insurance companies are NOT going to benefit, they will lose money in the end compared to what they are raking in now. Why do you think big business has spent so much money trying to send this bill down the proverbial toilet? Hint - it's not because they want to see a better America, it because they know their profits are going to tumble after Etna et al can no longer legally rape the American public with ultra high fees, refusing to insure due to pre-existing conditions or by making their customers jump through hoops of fire to get life saving treatments for their 4 year olds with leukemia. Poor insurance execs might even have to scale back their golf outings from 4 a week to 3.
Cheers to the Supreme Court for doing what's right for America!!!
BTW I love that cartoon and it's bittersweet message.... "My first goal is to make Obama a one term President".
READ THE BILL AND THINK.............don't be a sheep.
by Blitzen on 28 June 2012 - 18:53
|Fawndallas, very valid concerns. I don't know if the bill addresses that or not.|