Training and Obedience > What is "Trainability" (23 replies)
What is "Trainability"
by darylehret on 26 June 2012 - 17:58
|What is meant by "Trainability"?|
Trainability is a measure of the ease in which a dog can be trained to utilize any of it's natural instincts and/or physical abilities toward the aims of it's handler. The dog's repertoire of instincts and scope of it's abilities are a rather seperate matter, not reserved for this discussion.
There are modifiers that either enhance OR detract from a dog's trainability, such as
So this formula is then, as most things are, rather relative, but offers a useful perspective to reflect on some of the dogs you have worked with in the past, how your methods have changed, how your preferences in dogs have changed and perhaps, what unexplored qualities have eluded you thus far.
by Bob McKown on 28 June 2012 - 16:40
Before I was married and when single I never put the toliet seat down I got married and wife trained me now I always put the toliet seat down. Also I never leave a empty toliet paper roll on the roller and cloths must be seperated befroe washing and you never buy eggs until you check for cracked ones...Trainability!
by Hundmutter on 28 June 2012 - 20:04
|Bob - that makes your wife an EXCELLENT trainer. Wish I'd been able to get those results with 'guys I have known' !!!|
by Zep on 28 June 2012 - 22:53
|Here's my view on the toilet seat, if I have to put it down when done, she has to put it up when done.|
Fair is fair.
by darylehret on 29 June 2012 - 00:16
|The toilet seat down can be a non issue if you train her to look before she sits, a simple exercise in focus. I've done this before by using seran wrap to block the bowl. Works wonders. With intelligent planning, you can thereby diminish her drive to make you biddable.|
I shoulda known there's too many jokers in this deck of cards to carry a serious conversation, ha ha.
by GSDPACK on 29 June 2012 - 01:50
|A femeale turns into a nasty mean bitch when she sits down on the rim in the middle of the night. She will come up the leash and bite you in the ass...... that is rather a reactionto an unexpected scenario. It shocks the female and sometimes claws come out.|
To prevent this from happening, simply put the seat down. The lid can be tolerated since it doesn't cause a moment of unpleasant surprise.
by brynjulf on 29 June 2012 - 02:08
|I'm gitting me some popcorn for this thread. Stumbles to the kitchen for a bucket o corn :)|
by k9ulf on 03 July 2012 - 07:43
|Trainability- convinient excuse for less complex trainers|
by darylehret on 03 July 2012 - 14:01
|Precisely. There are dogs that can make training easier for you, and dogs that make things more difficult. I'm not sure why some people are overawed by a dog that challenges the limitations of the handler. If you want to test your skill, try a different breed or species, like a dingo or a wild boar. This one is supposed to be easier, so you can concentrate more on the progress of the job being performed by "the team", and less on the functional fitness of the dog who's supposed to be an asset.|
by brynjulf on 09 July 2012 - 02:35
Ok, I have got to ask this question. It is not meant with malice or intent to stir the pot.
by darylehret on 09 July 2012 - 05:33
|I'd take the stubborn dog if I really had to choose, and I'd MORE respect the trainers that don't elevate the trash to "breeding status", just because they're able.|
by Prager on 09 July 2012 - 16:39
Ability to respond to proper stimulus, reward, timing and other training techniques of an able trainer. This ability is derived from learned and inherited characteristic of socialization, intelligence, drives, investigativeness, packing instinct, and so on.
Opposite is a dull, lethargic dog.
by Bob McKown on 09 July 2012 - 19:31
The bond you have greatly effects the trainability of the dog in my opinion. A dog that is bonded to it,s trainer,handler,owner will normally be more responsive and work harder to please then one who has no connection to you IMHO.
by brynjulf on 10 July 2012 - 00:24
|Ok Daryl I respect your position but perhaps you should change breeds, sounds like you would prefer the Rott or Bouv that is bred to give you that extra stubborn flair you seem to like :) Hans and Bob you hit the nail right on the head! And Bob your work with Feist is EXACTLY how a GSD should work together with her owner. And there ain't nothing wimpy bout that lady!!!|
by darylehret on 10 July 2012 - 01:18
|I think you totally misunderstand me. I don't like stubborn dogs at all, and easy compliance is one of my highest selection priorities. I have stressed this for years. But at the same time, I despise weakness. So, if having to choose between stubborn and "simpering, peeing, bolting dog" as you say, I'd (grudgingly) rather deal with stubborn.|
by brynjulf on 10 July 2012 - 02:55
Yes, I totally misunderstood you. I thought you LIKED stubborness in the GSD. My point was that a great trainer is one who can deal with the simpering bolting dog. NOT that is should be bred. Didnt realize we were discussing breeding. Thought we were talking about what trainability was.
From the GSD standard:
The German Shepherd Dog must be, in its essential image, well-balanced, firm in nerves, self-confident, absolutely calm and impartial, and (except in tempting situations) amiable. He must possess courage, willingness to fight, and hardness, in order to be suitable as companion, watchdog, protector, service dog, and guardian.
by darylehret on 10 July 2012 - 04:59
|I look at everything from a breeding standpoint, I can't help it. It may seem trainability is a seperate concept, but it's an aspect of breeding to me.|
by Bob McKown on 10 July 2012 - 18:11
I agree with you Trainability is a breeding issue to be considered. A dogs pack drive and willingness to be subordnate to the pack leader is a inherated trait IMHO. A good trainer can take a dog and find it,s motavation and use it to there advantage. Every dog has a reason to work the handler just has to have the talent to find it and exploit it to the positive.
Kinda like what I will do when you ship me one of those fired up females!!! :)
by duke1965 on 10 July 2012 - 19:01
|I just had a 3 day training seminair with team jogy and julian clement in A, B and C, jogy used me as example/dog, so I know now what trainability is|
by brynjulf on 10 July 2012 - 23:16
|You two are correct trainability is a breeding issue. But for some of us training is a training issue. I could never be a dog breeder WAYYYY to much work and responsibility!|