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German Shepherd Dog > GSD 7 weeks "pregnant" and not showing. (85 replies)

by ladystark on 25 June 2012 - 13:06

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Hi guys,

My 2 year and 4 month old GSD mated May 7, 9, and 11 so is ending week 7 today.

She didn't go through morning sickness. She did become ravenous a  week post mating which lasted until week 5. Then she became a big pickier.

Palpation detected no pups but we did that at day 33, somewhat late in the palpation window so the vet said  then that she could still be pregnant.

Size-wise, there is a bit of growth in terms of I don't see her ribs anymore. But nothing drastic.

I know normally bitches increase in size around week 6 onwards.
But is there a chance that she's still pregnant?

We mated her the heat before this but didn't conceive, so I was left with unused aspirator, whelp box, rectal digital thermometer, and other supplies LOL. 

Thanks

by Blitzen on 25 June 2012 - 14:06

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Have her xrayed.

by JodyP on 25 June 2012 - 14:06

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I would take her and get an ultrasound and see if she is pregnant.. 

by fawndallas on 25 June 2012 - 15:06

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4 month old mating?  Isn't this a bit young for either sex? 

I am very new to the breeding concept, so I am genuinely asking these questions (no sarcasm is intended). 

by Keith Grossman on 25 June 2012 - 15:06

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I think she meant the dog is 28 months old...at least I hope so!

by ladystark on 25 June 2012 - 15:06

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Hi guys.

2 years and 4 months. She's 28 months.

by fawndallas on 25 June 2012 - 15:06

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So sorry.  My mistake.  I thought you were saying 1 dog was 2 years and the other was 4 months.

by trixx on 25 June 2012 - 16:06

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i have a female that does not start to show till the 8th week. if she is a big girl , she will hide them well like mine. it does sound like she is pregant from, what you are telling, no two females will act the same,so i would not worry ,my  girl act alot like yours. yes you can do an unltrasound or just wait and see if you get pups. how  is the hair loss around the nipples or milk starting, these a few signs to look for. at 8 weeks you should also start to see movement, feel her tummy and see if you feel pups.

by Siantha on 25 June 2012 - 18:06

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mine never showed one bit even when she was whelping but like trixx said at 8 weeks we could feel movement but she was carrying the puppys up in her rib cage. she had 10

by fawndallas on 25 June 2012 - 22:06

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For me, that was the coolest thing about the pregnancy, getting to see the puppies move in Rose's belly.  Look behind the ribs when she is laying down.

That is actually how I was able to tell how many puppies were left during the welping.  I would gently touch in this area to see if there was any more movement.  1st puppy came out at about 4 am and the last one was born at 10:30 pm.  Long day.

by PINERIDGE on 26 June 2012 - 02:06

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sometimes active pregnancies just end without anybody knowing it -- if there were only 1/2 pups to begin with and she re-absorbs them - then she may continue to act pregnant but is no longer.

I always x-ray a few days prior to the first possible whelp date to know what I'm in for. 
Hopefully she's hiding 2-3 pups - but a quick pic will tell all (maybe next week?) 


Hope for the best --  expect the worst. 

  

by dogshome9 on 26 June 2012 - 02:06

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I am the can't wait to know for sure ~~ kind of person and do ultrasound at 4 - 5 weeks.

Nothing worse than all of that preparation for no result, better to know if puppies are to be expected.

I have a female booked in for this Friday for ultrasound she will be 29 days.

I also need to organize time off work

Good luck, hope you get puppies.

by ladystark on 26 June 2012 - 10:06

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Hi guys,

Thanks for the reply.

Is it normal though that at this time, she's the pickiest dog on earth?
Lately she doesn't wanna eat her Go Natural Chicken (at 570 Calories per cup, it helps me give her what she needs without having to really eat so much).

She didn't eat at all last Sunday in fact, which got me panicky. She's been eating better though since I guess she realized this is all she'll get so no point being picky.

Is it okay to add sunflower oil or canola oil just to boost up the Calories at this stage of gestation?

by Blitzen on 26 June 2012 - 12:06

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At this stage an xray will show if she is pg and you can get a decent idea of the number of puppies present. An ultrasound will show that too, but the vet I use charges a lot more for one than she does an xray.

My concern with this dog is that if she's not pg and not eating she may have pyo, so I would have her examined by a vet ASAP.

 

by ladystark on 26 June 2012 - 13:06

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Hi Blitzen,

Thanks for the input. She's currently eating but won't consume more than her pre-breeding ration which is 3 cups of GO! Natural Chicken, Fruit and Vegetable--exactly 1710 Calories.

She just had a picky episode a few days ago wherein she didn't eat for a day and a half. She was active and perky the whole time though, and begged for her liver treats and peanut butter. So I'm assuming it's not a loss of appetite, more of a picky eating episode.

by Rass on 26 June 2012 - 13:06

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You will need to get an X Ray sometime in week 8 anyway.. to know the number of puppies and if she is pregnant. 

If she has only 1 puppy.. or 2.. you will probably have to have a C Section.

by trixx on 26 June 2012 - 16:06

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i also had a female so bad she would not eat much at all, it was her first  litter so some will be that way, they are all so different. she was fine the 2nd time though. i would say 3 cups is better than nothing , yes its fine to add a little extra to get her to want to eat.  Gravy is a good one to try.i too have a female now , not sure if she is preganat,mine is 6 weeks on wed. she is slowing down and will take all day just to eat the normal amount , hope she starts to pick up but not all do like your girl. i think mine has a very small litter and really dont think she should have many with an outside tie. with a small litter she may not show at all. if she is 8 weeks you wont have long to wait. even with a small litter you should be able to pick up one moving by now, lay her down on one side and put your hands wide on  her , just under the ribs, this is how i do my count and i have been right most of the time. once i was off by one puppy. i dont like to stress out my girl , by taking  her to the vet if i dont have too. i also brought a Doppler to pick up heart beats at 40 days and it does work.just have to make sure you use the right gel.

by HighDesertGSD on 26 June 2012 - 20:06

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Did you do progesterone tests?

How did you decide on the dates of mating?

by ladystark on 26 June 2012 - 23:06

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Hi Trixx,

Thanks for the tip. I'll try to feel for puppies at 8 weeks to be more certain. And yes I agree that I try to minimize stress, that's why during vet appointments, my vet comes to my house instead of me visiting. Though problem is a scan is to big to bring in a car haha.

Hi, High Deserts,

We did vaginal swabs for cytology and planned days based on cornification of cells to estimate probable LH Surge date. Then mated that day, 2 days later, and another 2 days later so we cover all bases in terms of the release and eventual maturation of oocytes.

by HighDesertGSD on 27 June 2012 - 16:06

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IMO, there is no practical alternative to progestorone tests in ovulation timing.

Progestorone tests are generally necessary and sufficient for ovulation timing unless you also have the stud.

LH tests have to be done very often because LH surge is a pulse.

If you have a small litter this time, next time be sure to do P-tests.

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