German Shepherd Dog > ummm do u agree with this statement. (63 replies)
by VIANDEN on 24 June 2012 - 01:03
|She looks like a very strong looking female to me.I think she is just not stack right I like her.|
She remines me of my female Shasta.
by brynjulf on 24 June 2012 - 01:08
|Mee thinks there is much confusion over what angulation is. This pooch (the original gal) even in this horrific stack does not apear to have a ton of rear angulation. Over stretched.. yup. She is moderately angulated. In this stack there is no way to judge her topline.|
by sonora on 24 June 2012 - 01:15
I think the problem is when one mentions ,
the words,' showlines or worklines' ,it works people up.
Why not just say the dog.
And if we do not know and want to learn,
we use the words ,'Please tell me or please explain, etc'.
so we don't get people worked up .
The statement is correct. why are we looking at the stack
when the whole dog is there for you to see.
Different breeds are stacked differently.
It is to show off the dog ,so one can compare it to it's standard.
As such one must also know the standard of the breed.
I agree sometimes,one messess up the stack,showing th dog in bad light
by Red Sable on 24 June 2012 - 01:33
|Your dog has a much nicer topline, and is better overall IMHO Vianden.|
by VIANDEN on 24 June 2012 - 02:28
Red Sable I do agree that Shasta has a better top line. I was just saying that this female is a very strong looking girl and i don't think she is weak in the rear.Thanks for the nice comment on Shasta tho.
by joanro on 24 June 2012 - 13:01
|I haven't anywhere in the breed standard that the gsd must be stacked so that it's butt is in line with the elbow. Or that the back and hind legs must appear so weak that the dog can't stand UP. The original posted pic, the female is not balanced, she appears to be put together by commitee. Vianden, your female, on the other hand, is very well put together and looks like a sound gsd.|
by beetree on 24 June 2012 - 13:08
|I have noticed my dog will do a "natural stack" all by himself, and at those times I just wish my camera was handy. So, I don't think I agree that it isn't a natural pose for the GSD. Looks so regal, purposeful and alert when it happens, I think.|
by Blitzen on 24 June 2012 - 13:40
|It may look stupid to some, but the way the GSD is stacked for the show ring goes back many years and is traditional in both Germany and the US. The main intent is to accentuate the sloping topline that is unique to this breed and desired in the show ring. Some like to show their dogs swinging from a sleeve, others like to show them in the traditional stack, others use both.|
by Blitzen on 24 June 2012 - 13:41
GSD's do "naturally stack" themselves. The camera is never handy when they do .
by Blitzen on 24 June 2012 - 13:47
|The dog in the first photo is not overangulated, she is stretched too much, maybe in an effort to show a more sloping topline than she really has or because the person doing the stacking has no clue how to.|
by Blitzen on 24 June 2012 - 13:48
|Vianden, is that your dog?|
by Rik on 24 June 2012 - 14:27
|I could use the education, how does one determine from this pic that the dog is not balanced.|
by Red Sable on 24 June 2012 - 14:41
|Yes, GSD's do stand in a natural stack position once in a while, however, that is a far cry from how man stacks them. Nothing natural about it.|
by joanro on 24 June 2012 - 14:54
|Red sable, I agree. Dog stands on it's own doesn't have someone's hand mashing down on its tail to accentuate the extreme drop from withers to tail. I still can't find where the breed standard describes this anomaly.|
by djc on 24 June 2012 - 16:57
|Red Sable I don't agree! Part of the equation, of course, is HOW the dog is stacked. Pushing down on the back end is not part of a proper stack. You can come up with millions of photos of poor stacks, but it all boils down to doing it correctly, not how many bad ones are out there! Those who do it right are NOT, I repeat, NOT making an un-natural position, many well trained dogs will walk NATURALLY into it in the ring with VERY little help. While it's true that many are stacked unnaturally and "a far cry" from natural, those same examples are not correct. Mine naturally stack themselves ALL THE TIME, much more than occasionally. A dog that has correct conformation will be comfortable and natural in the stacked position. |
by Ruger1 on 24 June 2012 - 17:55
|Blitzen said, ". Some like to show their dogs swinging from a sleeve, others like to show them in the traditional stack, others use both. "|
Debby said,"Those who do it right are NOT, I repeat, NOT making an un-natural position, many well trained dogs will walk NATURALLY into it in the ring with VERY little help. "
I like these comments!
While attending the Sieger Show last year ..
#1 In the ring dogs walked right into a very natural stack without the aid of the handler..
#2 While in the stacked position for individual judging the dogs were very balanced and comfortable,,
Prince does have a nice natural stack as well and I see it quite often...
by Ibrahim on 24 June 2012 - 19:02
|What if after say a week, month or even a year, the poor owner of the dog stumbles on this thread and sees some of the "very nice comments" made on and about his beloved companion .|
It's not like discussing a public figure, like a VA dog where owners are already used to hearing all sorts of opinions and critiques of their exsposed to public dog.
by GSDguy08 on 24 June 2012 - 19:06
|The dog is over stretched in the stack? The back left leg is for sure, but the other back leg doesn't looked stretched very far...... I still don't think this dog would have a good structure even if the back left leg was in a natural position.|
by Blitzen on 24 June 2012 - 19:10
Pro handlers know how the stack a dog to make it look its best. It's not always the way the dog would stand naturally, it is done to highlight pros and downplay cons. I believe Rik would be able to show you the same dog on 3 different photos looking like 3 different dogs just by setting them up differently. That is where the down and back and side gait comes into play and many judges, both SV and AKC, will require that the dog be walked into a natural stance. The free gating in the working classes is also a good way to judge a dog's anatomy.
by Blitzen on 24 June 2012 - 19:14
How about some WL photos now?