Main > i have a question how do u know a great breeder or a bad breeder (114 replies)
by mollyandjack on 27 June 2012 - 19:59
|No, because in my opinion you are paying for a companion animal and living things have problems sometimes. People that buy shelter animals understand this.|
by workingdogz on 27 June 2012 - 20:00
It's really irrelevant why the breeder would want
the pup back, if that is the terms of their contract,
and you agreed to it, you must abide by it if you
wish for them to honor the contract.
Now, with that said, I would surmise that the
breeder would require the pup back because they
know that the liklihood of a buyer sending a puppy
back to an unknown future simply won't happen.
To be fair, most buyers don't think it's 'fair' they may have
to pay to send their pup back, nor do they feel it's fair
that they have to give up their pup to have the guarantee
honored. It goes both ways, but usually the contract is
established to keep the seller/breeder in the clear
Buyers look for ways to scam breeders, breeders look for
ways to scam buyers. It happens. A decent breeder would
simply accept documentation from a couple vets that the
pup in question has '________' and try to make it right
from there, *if* they offer a 'guarantee'.
Bad hips? an orthopedic specialist, teaching Vet Hospital or
official report from OFA should be plenty to prove to a breeder
that a pup has bad joints, but some will turn around and blame
the xrays, the buyer, the diet etc etc etc.
And who decides how long the buyer has to wait for a
'replacement', refund etc? Make sure that kind of thing
is notated in your handy guarantee.
What happens if the breeder is a typical
'5 year-I have money and bought an import' flash in
the pan wonder and is no longer in dogs by the time
you need your replacement or guarantee etc honored?
By the way, how do you get limited registration lifted off
your dog if you cannot locate the breeder anymore?
That kind of shit does happen!
Shit happens in the genetic lottery. We don't buy into
limited registration, contracts or guarantee's. We do our
research and purchase from knowledgeable experienced
dog trainers/breeders that train, title and test their dogs,
and we hope for the best.
by beetree on 27 June 2012 - 20:03
|Why not? You aren't asked to sign a double-talking, obfuscating contract when you rescue a dog from a shelter. |
Also, one usually does not expect to know the pedigree of a rescue dog, and usually they will be spayed or neutured and that avoids any DNA debacles in the future, that too.
by Niesia on 27 June 2012 - 20:25
|So why are you buying puppies at all? Animal shelters are full of unwanted dogs.|
If you don't think they are merchandise, why do you pay big $$ for purebred pups with pedigrees and from titled and health-tested stock?
Why do you need pedigrees, titles and health tests at all?
Why do you need to know if the person who sells pups is a reputable breeder?
by Niesia on 27 June 2012 - 20:27
|I know people that would never spend money for a pup. They want a pet - they get one from a pound or from 'give it for free to a good home' add.|
But people who spend big $$ see a value in it - what value is that?
by beetree on 27 June 2012 - 20:30
|Oh, I have Niesia, I have. Sorry, but you have my dog acquisition history confused with somebody elses. |
I'm going to assume your questions are for the general flock to answer. Let me know if you'd really like me to thoughtfully answer your questions and they aren't just a rhetorical flurry meant to barrage.
by Niesia on 27 June 2012 - 20:33
Sorry - those are questions to the 'general public'. Questions I always ask potential buyers. That allows me to learn a lot about people I'm selling my puppies to.
by joanro on 27 June 2012 - 21:00
|Maybe the solution to all the contract scam, two way street crap, is to do what one poster advocates: don't buy domestically and make sure there's no contract at all. In other words, buyers can get their live animals from puppy mills where "all sales are final" and therefore no expectations or disappointments. One additional feature would be excellent; once a person buys from such place, an endless supply of puppies will be available, no additional cost to buyer, and all they have to do is walk through like at a wholesale warehouse and pick whatever you want, free after first purchase. Only cost to shopper is plane fare to puppy warehouse destination if buyer wishes to shop first hand. Otherwise, let seller pick freebies for you. Then nobody can complain about the shitty breeders with shitty contracts in shitty kennels in the shitty country that sells shitty dogs. Then in very short time PETA will have to find something else to rail about because there won't be any more dogs being bred any where.....unless of course the puppy whole sale ware houses are state funded, which isn't likely since they would be unsustainable.|
by Niesia on 27 June 2012 - 21:15
wouldn't that be a simple solution... Probably everybody would love it. Nobody to blame, no disappointments - sounds more like a paradise... Lets outlaw dog breeding or better yet, lets outlaw having pets - then there won't be no bad breeders and disappointed pet owners. There are breeders because somebody is buying the dogs they are producing...
by joanro on 27 June 2012 - 21:32
|Niesia, yes, it would be a dream come true for some buyers, a nightmare for others. Give HSUS, PETA, USDA their way and all that will be left breeding dogs will be puppy mills.|
by starrchar on 27 June 2012 - 21:50
|People pay large sums of money to adopt a child. Sometimes that money goes to the biological mother. People pay surrogate mothers to carry their child and they also pay for donor eggs or sperm. Does that make the children merchandise also?|
Just because someone spends money on something doesn't make it disposable piece of merchandise.
by kitkat3478 on 27 June 2012 - 21:53
|I don't believe anyone is advocating that kind of business transactions. I just don't believe people don't think a breeder should guarantee their pups. THAT is what opens the door to puppymills.|
by Niesia on 27 June 2012 - 22:17
|Starrchar, I won't comment on a mother that sells her baby and I won't comment on people who buy kids to adopt. I won't comment on a women who becomes surrogate mother for money and I won't comment on people who sell their own eggs or sperm for others to buy.|
And yes, as soon as something is for sale - it's becoming a merchandise. People in a slave market are just a merchandise for those who buy and for those who sell. And yes, people in a slave market are as disposable as any other piece of merchandise...
by joanro on 27 June 2012 - 22:24
|Puppy mills maintain through people who expect " puppy on demand" , sort of like shoes on demand. And, yes , that kind of transaction is being advocated by a poster recommending buying from Europe and NOT wanting contract...own the good, the bad, and the ugly. That's exactly what this country needs, is more us dollars going to foreign countries. We sure don't want the inept, scamming Americans to keep the $ circulating in this country.|
by mollyandjack on 27 June 2012 - 22:32
|So now we are arguing semantics? Regardless of what you want to class as merchandise, and sure in the broad general definition I suppose probably used by the IRS a puppy may be "merchandise"... However, a puppy is not in the same class as a microwave, should not be treated as such, and I believe that any contracts and business decisions should reflect that. Focusing on all the ways a puppy is merchandise just like a microwave is not really helpful, IMO. We already have people that treat them like appliances. JMO.|
by joanro on 27 June 2012 - 22:47
|Who said puppies are just like a microwave ? (microwave oven?)|
by mollyandjack on 27 June 2012 - 22:54
|Jenni mentioned it, I think in reference to a previous thread in which puppies were likened to appliances.|
by beetree on 27 June 2012 - 22:56
|LOL, I made the original reference to a retail transaction, and now it is being blown up to mean so much baloney.|
by Niesia on 27 June 2012 - 23:03
Joanro, nobody said that puppies are microwaves, however the producer will not honor the warranty, if you 'abuse' your microwave, i.e. leave it outside in a rain (all alone), put 220 to 110, beat it with the baseball bat, shoot it, etc...
by Niesia on 27 June 2012 - 23:03
Oops... removed double post