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by Niesia on 20 June 2012 - 18:39 |
| In addition to what I commented on above, I would like to add that: In general - I believe that GSDs don't make the best pet dogs. For example, in my case, when people see one of my mature, well trained, well behaved, 'good looking' (proud mom) dogs, they think "I want one of those", believing that it is a result of the breed and not all the hard work that went into it. They want a puppy that will automatically turn out like that. And one thing I know for sure is that they will not. I always say, that "intelligent dogs learn easily BUT are very difficult to train". Mine seem to be always trying to figure out how to outthink me... Sound mind and good temperament dogs will make a good family dog, loyal and protective BUT always a GSD, i.e. requiring owners who are good experienced handlers keeping them under control at all times. In my experience, most dog owners desirous of a good pet would be better suited with an 'easier going' breed. |
Niesia by kitkat3478 on 20 June 2012 - 21:10 |
| I have to disagree that German Shepherds do not make good pets. Me and my 83 year old mother was talking about this today. My mother has 5 German Shepherds, ranging from 3 years old to 13 years old. My mom has NO issues with any of them, she lives alone (I am just down the driveway). She is very well protected and sometimes she says she thinks the dogs worry to much about her health and won't leave her alone. And does it matter what breed of dog you are breeding,would you sell one to anyone that was not going to properly train or care for any dog. And where do the dogs that are bred for working homes that are not sold supposed to go? That is why I feel ALL shepherds should be capable of not only being fit to work, but they should also be able to "fit" in a home. A RESPONSIBLE OWNER IS A RESPONSIBLE OWNER. It is the duty of the breeder to find responsibble owners |
kitkat3478 by Niesia on 20 June 2012 - 22:23 |
| Kitka3478, GSD make wonderful pets for the right people. Both me and my hubby think that our GSDs are the best pets we ever had. I have two little boys - 5 and 4, two cats and we all live in 'perfect' harmony. My heart grows when I see my boys with my dogs, my heart grows when I see my dogs gently approaching my cats and licking them... They are the biggest, fuzziest Teddy Bears at home BUT they are always going to be GSDs for anybody else. Too many people buy GSDs for the wrong reasons. And too many breeders fail in selling the right pups to the right people. I agree that it's breeders responsibility to find right owners however I've heard my share of untruth from buyers... One of the reasons why I wouldn't want to be responsible for several litters a year... |
by starrchar on 20 June 2012 - 23:38 |
| Jersey Girl, I just want to add to what others have said here. Even the best breeders who do everything possible to ensure they produce well-bred, healthy, well-balanced, talented, athletic, intelligent pups will sometimes produce pups with defects. That is just life-nothing is perfect. BUT, a good breeder will try to make things right when this happens. Based on your story, your breeder was clearly a "bad breeder" from start to finish. She made false claims about herself and her dogs, plus she turned the other way and shifted blame when one of her pups had a defect. I feel really bad for you and what happened to your dog. I hope that you are able to find a good breeder and that your next pup will be very healthy and bring you much happiness. |
starrchar by Jersey Girl 22 on 21 June 2012 - 00:30 |
| i honestly agree with everyone i do understand that u will have good breeders out there and that sometimes happens i am not nocking that at all i am just truly upset from wat willow valley german shepherds did to me and when i explained to her about the problems that were happening to justice she clearly bad mouthed me and blamed me for everything and i truly didn't do anything rong i loved my dog and took care of him he ment everything to me and now since i don't have him anymore now its just hard for me and i dont' trust some breeders i know not all breeders are bad i didnt' say that at all i am really thankful to have the best breeders out there that care about their dogs and take very great care of them and care about their health those breeders i am greatful for and happyy about them i just don't like the breeders that are all about money and the breeder igot justice from really hurt me and all she cares about is money and not her dogs health nor the ppl that she sells her dogs too. I am truly devistated about what happend to me i really am i know that it happends sometimes but for her not caring makes it even worse for me. Also Niesa i have to agree with Kitkat german shepheds truly do make great family companions as well as pets i have been brought up with german shepherds all my life and love them they win my heart there is no other breed that really does i do understand what u mean by german shepherds should be with owners that know wat they are doing bcs of certain things i do understand that and ur right but i also agree with kitkatt german shepherds should be with responsible owners and ones that know the breed before they get them and if they are going to have one just they should know everything about them and know that they have to be trained the right way and things like that but i truly love german shepherds there is no breed out there for me. kitkatt i tried to imbox u but it says that u blocked me i hope i didnt' say anything or do anything rong i hope ur not angry with me, if i said anything rong i am sry i was just saying about willow valley german shepherds i hate wat she did to me and i dont want that to happen to anyone else. thank u everyone for ur advice tho i truly apperciate it. |
Jersey Girl 22 by Jersey Girl 22 on 21 June 2012 - 00:31 |
| i forgot also that im sry for the message earlier if i said anything rong or offended anyone i wans't trying to do that please let me know if i did and if i did i am truly sry i hope everyone is having a good day and if it is really hot were everyone is i hope everyone is being really careful |
by kitkat3478 on 21 June 2012 - 12:40 |
| Maybe my inbox is full,I have a bunch from my sister I don't want to delete |
by Jersey Girl 22 on 21 June 2012 - 16:32 |
| maybe i am not sure whats rong i got ur 2 messages but everytime i try to reply to them it tells me this user has blocked u from sending his or her messages to them so i don't know what happend or why it is doing this, sometimes technology gets me very angry it doesn't like to work right |
by beetree on 21 June 2012 - 17:01 |
| Jersey Girl 22, is the PM you are responding to, the same exact, kitkat3478? Or just plain ol' kitkat or another variation? |
beetree by Jersey Girl 22 on 21 June 2012 - 20:48 |
| it is the same email address she is able to email me in the pm but it isn't letting me send her an email i don't know why it claims, that she blocked me or w.e. but the thing is she didn't block me it isn't letting me send her any emails and we don't know why |
by beetree on 21 June 2012 - 21:58 |
| Contact an admin to look into it. Click on Terms of Service at the bottom of this window, and then at the bottom of that, will be links to PM any of the admins. |
by Jersey Girl 22 on 21 June 2012 - 22:07 |
| thank u beetree i think we got it and fix what the problem is finally even tho it took forever i hate when things like that happend and i can't figure out what the problem was |
by SitasMom on 22 June 2012 - 05:57 |
good breeder vs bad breeder............ i know breeders who will take a puppy or dog back at any age for any reason just because the want to do everything they can to ensure that the puppy they produced has the best life possible and if the client isn't happy they believe the puppy wont be happy either. i know of breeders who require hips and elbow to be x-rayed at 6 months and that's the end of the guarantee... i also know breeders who sell without any guarantee at all, its the luck of the draw. i know breeders who spend "0" time with their puppies. they are kept in the back yard or in a spare bedroom... no enrichment, no socialization, no interaction i know breeders who spend many hours with their puppies, exposing them to many different situations so they have confidence and experience to become all they can be. as a buyer, its your responsibility to do your research......let the buyer beware. the most frustrating thing is for a buyer to complain that a 1500 puppy is too expensive, after titling, and testing, vet bills, feed bills and the countless hours spent socializing and nurturing a litter....... |
by Red Sable on 22 June 2012 - 08:47 |
the most frustrating thing is for a buyer to complain that a 1500 puppy is too expensive, after titling, and testing, vet bills, feed bills and the countless hours spent socializing and nurturing a litter.......
And it absolutely is if the pup has HD, ED, EPI, bloats at 4, poor conformation, or poor temperament, and the breeder doesn't honour his/her contract, blames the issues on the buyer and the buyer is left with huge vet bills too and a dog that can't be titled! Or worse yet, no dog and the buyer is out 1500 bucks!
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Red Sable by kitkat3478 on 22 June 2012 - 11:01 |
| RedSable-BINGO |
by beetree on 25 June 2012 - 21:05 |
What could be worse than no puppy, no money?  |
by Jenni78 on 26 June 2012 - 02:02 |
 By the "logic" in Red Sable's post, one should divorce a spouse for infertility and sue the parents. |
Jenni78 by kitkat3478 on 26 June 2012 - 03:18 |
| First off, I think any breeder, whether they breed one litter, or a hundred litters, should honor their contracts. If you are not willing to back your dogs up, you have no business breeding them in the first place. As everyone states so freely that buying a pup is a crap shoot, than why pretend there is any guarantee on the pups you are selling, just say,"take your chances". I have a litter here and there. I put a lot of thought into my breeding plan, and I do consider what road I am traveling next WITH my dogs. And, I have never had any problems arise, I do also think, what if ?, And with that, I clearly state, I will give a replacement pup. WHY is it so hard to replace a pup ? If the only reason you put a litter of pups out there is for the money, you shouldn't be breeding dogs. If you want to be compensated for the time you put into raising a litter of pups, you shouldn't be doing it. The amount of time I spend with a litter of pups could never be monetarily compensated for. I get so much pleasure from every puppy I produce, I do it because I LOVE IT |
by HighDesertGSD on 26 June 2012 - 23:35 |
| The great majority of all dogs, including the GSD, are pets. There are only two absolutely essential criteria: Health and mental stability. Not all dogs of any breed need to have any "working ability". The whole concept of the necessity of "working dog" for any breed is an obsolete concept. Work is more sport and fun for the owner than actual utility. A healthy and affectionate GSD can be just most family want. A large part of pet ownership satisfaction is in the appearance and movement of a pet animal. A good breeder is one who does not misrepresent the predictable working capability of a pup, and is honest about all the rest. |
by Jenni78 on 27 June 2012 - 00:44 |
| Who is seriously out there making money on pups of decent quality? Good pups cost people money, not make people money. The mentality that a puppy is a commodity like a sweater or a toaster oven, to be thrown away at the first sign of imperfection makes me physically ill. I cannot stand it when people treat the purchase of a puppy like the purchase of Wal-mart goods- if everything isn't perfect for a lifetime, I'll simply return this old thing and get my money back, regardless of what is wrong or why it's happened. Sickening thought process. I'll buy back any dog at any time as a safety net for the dogs, but I sure as hell try not to sell to the kinds of cretins who would actually send their puppy back in the first place. You're supposed to be emotionally attached to your dog. That's what dogs are for. Anyone who disagrees with this is not someone I would sell a dog to (purposely). |
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