Main > my female german sheppard is on heat but wont let the stud mate her (11 replies)

by jo anne on 17 May 2012 - 14:05

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Hi 

My female german sheppard has been on heat for 7 days and the stud has been introduced to her and been with her for 2 days and 2 nights and she wont let him mount her, but she wants to mount him... it is the first time they both have done this and this will be her last season i can breed her as she is 4 yrs old..  They are playful and he sniffs her but then walks off..if you can help please email me ok maddymaree@live.com

by SitasMom on 17 May 2012 - 14:05

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have her progestrone checked, she may not be ready.
consider IA at the vet's

by Rass on 17 May 2012 - 14:05

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In dogs, including the German ShepHERD, the heat period typically lasts 3 weeks and the female is typically receptive near the end of that period.  The typical heat cycle starts with bleeding that becomes much lighter in color when the female enters a receptive period and then she "bleeds off" at the end.  That being said, receptivity to the stud dog does not always indicate the best time to breed.  Cell cornification and Progesterone levels indicate best time to breed. 

If you are breeding you should be checking her ovulation by either doing cornification slides or progesterone testing.  IOW's you pay money and go to a vet and do these things. 

I suggest separating the two dogs and getting this book and READING it.  "Canine Reproduction - the Breeders Guide (Revised 3rd edition) by Phylis Holst 
Another good book is:  "Dog Breeders Secrets - Ethical Breeding Practices" by Sylvia Smart 

I also must ask, are both the stud and the female over 2 years old, been health tested (hips and elbows xrayed at the LEAST) and both are titled (in something??)?  Or working???

by swingfield on 17 May 2012 - 15:05

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the male is usually 'correct' in his ability to detect wether she is close to ovulating.. generally she becomes receptive.. I think its 10-16 days after you first see blood... have the vet run a quick test and see 'where' she is in her cycle.. it makes it so much easier on you and her to catch it and not have to rely on the male especially if she might be a little bitchy and wont stand! That can intimidate a male so much that he wont even try and mount her if she is dominant over him ! We have special 'stool' that we have the bitch in our lap and hold her and it helps him get the job done ! good luck.. and keep us posted ! But at least get her to the vet for the progesterone test.. you will be happier knowing you can time it better!!

by AmbiiGSD on 17 May 2012 - 16:05

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You shouldn't breed what you can't even spell!!

by YogieBear on 17 May 2012 - 18:05

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AmbiiGSD - don't be ugly - you don't even know if this persons first language is English....

If your female has only been in head for 7 days -are you counting those days from the first blood you saw - if so - then she probably isn't ready.  Females often try to mount the male - nothing unusual........  Usually, they start standing for the male at about 10 days - but just because you put two dogs together - doesnt mean they will mate.... 

Why do you feel that her life of breeding is over if she is only 4?

Yogie

by Niesia on 17 May 2012 - 19:05

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You said that you have two inexperienced dogs. How old is the male - is he younger than your 4 year old female? That would explain her wanting to mount him...
 
First timers should be usually introduced to the experienced mate, but if those are your dogs that know each other, and you keep them together throughout the heat cycle - they will finally figure it out...
 
If this is an outside, unknown to your female, stud male, progesterone testing is your best bet to find out when your female is ready (every female is different - mine for example wasn't usually ready until day 21).  In case that they don't figure out how to do it this time - you can do easy vaginal AI with fresh semen - progesterone testing will pinpoint the best time.  
 
Is the stud owner inexperienced breeder as well? Do they know how to collect the semen?  If not - contact the vet - they usually can collect the semen from the stud and inseminate female the same time.
 
'Making puppies' is rather easy - taking care of them and finding them good homes - very difficult...
 
Inexperienced mother may not know how to take care of the pups for the first time. You will have few sleepless days and nights during and after she whelps to make sure everything is OK... The first time mom should not be left alone until you make sure she is a very good mom and all her puppies are quiet and happy. And this is because some females are simply naturally bad at it, some shouldn't even have puppies at all (they may kill them even after 2-3 days of taking care of them)...etc. etc. etc...
 
I hope everything will be OK and good luck.




by aceofspades on 17 May 2012 - 20:05

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You can breed your breed your dog beyond four years old. What makes you think that you can not breed a dog older than 4 years old? Otherwise all of the others have asked the important questions about hips elbows DM testing etc...

by Niesia on 17 May 2012 - 21:05

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You can breed a healthy female into her 8th year but (like in case of women) first pregnancy shouldn't be later in her life. 5 years old can be late for first pregnancy...

by Donnerstorm on 18 May 2012 - 00:05

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I had the same question about why you think this is the last heat cycle you can breed her? As for her not accepting the male she probably isn't ready, don't stress we all know what it's like when you are trying to breed and you are worrying about hitting the right day, or missing the right day etc. Very nerve racking esp when it seems fido that just runs the neighborhood can seem to knock up every bitch in a 10 mile radius with no help.  That being said it does seem that you are rather inexperienced.  You really should know a lot about the breed before attempting to breed, you should be able to match temperments drive etc and have a clear idea of what you are trying to accomplish with this breeding.  If what you are trying to accomplish is $$ it will end up in heartache for everyone involved and a loss of $$.  It's not just the breeding, you also need to be able to educate the buyers about the breed, and about the particular pups you have, everyone always wants the cutest pup, but truth is that pup may really not be the dog for them, and they need to be guided to the right decesion.  Your relationship with the buyer does not stop when they leave with their pup, esp if it's an inexperienced owner you should be available to answer questions, help them problem solve etc. If you can't do that you should expect to get quite a few pups back.  One of the golden rules of breeding Dont ever breed more pups than you can afford to keep for the duration of their life if need be. Hope that helps I was in no way trying to be nasty it's just the general population really has no idea what breeders go through and how long it took them to gain the knowledge they did before breeding, there is A LOT to learn!

by Kalibeck on 18 May 2012 - 23:05

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Well said Donnerstorm. I will only add that most do not understand the cost of breeding & raising healthy puppies. It is a very expensive undertaking. People think that dog A + bitch B = $$$. Nothing could be further from the truth, if you're doing it right. And people don't want to pay big $$$ for pups UNLESS you're providing health documents & warranties, & are able to provide proof of parents titles, etc.. And why should they? GSD pups are not hard to come by, just visit any shelter. Sad, but true. And you bear an obligation to make sure your puppies never wind up in a pound or shelter. jackie harris

by Rass on 20 May 2012 - 12:05

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FWIW she asked for Emails.  I sent her one with a copy of my post.  No response. 




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