Training and Obedience > Rubbing their nose in it .......!!!! (7 replies)
Rubbing their nose in it .......!!!!
by Jeffs on 08 May 2012 - 13:49
You don't have to agree. You don't have to use it. Makes no difference to me.
by Hundmutter on 08 May 2012 - 14:05
|I think the point I was trying to make is that you are almost certainly completely wasting your time with the first part; sure the rest of what you do will work; just that showing a pile or puddle to a pup when said puppy has been doing something else entirely for even a couple of minutes so does not turn some light on in the pup's brain. Dogs memories just don't work the same way as humans. That isn't to say they are not clever - just different. Don't take my word for it - there's a mine of reference material on Training methods and dog psychology out there. Lin.|
by Q Man on 08 May 2012 - 14:31
|There are a number of things working here...First of all...a puppy's/dog's age has a lot to do with how and when they will learn to "bathroom" in the right place or at least not to go in the wrong place...|
A puppy's/dog's body must be mature enough to be able to handle what you're asking for...Such as "peeing" in the right place and/or holding it long enough to go in the right place...A puppy's body must be mature enough to handle what you're asking for...
Even puppy's who don't learn very well or are hard to potty train will eventually learn when they get a little older...
I don't think "rubbing" a puppy's/dog's nose in their poop is ever a good thing to do...I think it'll cause more problems by doing this...
Dogs will do things when forced to do so...Such as...Our dogs or most of them what to be clean and want their area/sleeping areas to be clean...So when they're in a limited area and can't hold it anymore...then poop and/or pee...will eat it and/or lick up the urine...It doesn't make any difference what kind of training they've had...It's Mother Nature taking over...
Same as "eating" feces...You basically can't control it...Some dogs will do it and some won't...Some dogs are just horribly slobs...then others really want to be clean...
I think it's like most all training...the more pressure you put on your puppies/dogs...the worse things will get...But all dogs are different and take pressure better or worse...So the proper pressure must be applied and you must know when to take that same pressure off or it CAN affect them adversely...
I have found puppies/dogs that have never had any "potty" training at all and say have been in a kennel until they're 6 months to a year old...will learn to be very clean and will be "crate training" by themselves...
by Hundmutter on 08 May 2012 - 16:40
|I've taken a kennel-dog on at 3 1/2 years, where she's had minimal time in a house / house breaking training, brought her to live indoors in a flat with no garden/yard, and purely by getting off my arse and taking her out for frquent walks, taught her to "go" outside on command. Never had any accidents (until she fairly suddenly became physically incontinent in her last few weeks of life, at almost 14). Like I said, Jeffs: they are intelligent, you just have to accept they are different to 'little people' and operate accordingly. And unfortunately, some people who hear that it is ok "to rub noses in it" DO then go and do exactly that.|
by Jeffs on 08 May 2012 - 16:51
Thanks Hundmutter. I'll try to remember Dogs aren't little people, although I can't remember ever showing a little person their poo and correcting them.
by Two Moons on 08 May 2012 - 16:56
what happened to the original thread?
by Two Moons on 08 May 2012 - 17:03
|After a brief look about,|
I see someone has been busy tampering with the threads and deleted my post for what ever reason suited them.
by mrdarcy on 08 May 2012 - 21:59
|No one has tampered with anything or deleted your post sir. The original thread started by Vixen was deleted as she has the same thread running in the All Breeds forum. She was PM'd about this as we do not allow cross posting, any further comments should be posted to the All Breeds forum. This thread is now closed. Thank you. mrdarcy.|