Main > Keeping Your Dog Safe from Law Enforcement (303 replies)
by Blitzen on 12 May 2012 - 11:54
I just skimmed over your posts to this thread, Darly, and I stand corrected. You were not critisizing LEOs in general, just your usual needling of Slamdunc. As far as you and shooting dogs ,well........you can tell that one if you want.
by darylehret on 12 May 2012 - 12:11
|MY usual needling of Slamdunc?! You have to be kidding, as much crap as I put up from him, he just crossed the line of no return, as far as receiving my respect goes. Maybe you should carefully read ALL of the exchanges we've had over the years, if you want to get your nose into it that badly. And my shooting of a particular dog has absolutely positively NOTHING to do with this thread, and is simply his needling of me, which is why he was ignored.|
If you want to have the same kind of relationship with me as he does, you're off to a good start.
by ggturner on 12 May 2012 - 12:15
|If someone shoots a child for screaming at them and moving towards them fast. Is it your opinion that we would need to seek out a parent to see if that is proper behavior. Thats seems like a silly position to me. I can absolutely tell you that using a shovel to reprimand your child is wrong. |
Really?? You must be very literal.
Do all DA's, Lawyers and Judges have "boots on the ground" LEO experience? Yes some do, but at the end of the day most don't and these are the people that decide whether the action of an LEO is legal or not. Sorry but in court, civilians who may or may not be former LEO's, DO decide which action, critique or opinion is LEGAL. Also, as far as I know no one has spent the capital needed in civil court to make high penalties a true deterence for LEO departments across the nation. Second it would take a very gutsy DA to try and prosecute an LEO for something like animal cruelty, unlawful discharge of a weapon or similar.
For the sake of education (since I'm an educator). I was using an analogy. Unless you walk in someone else's shoes, you have no idea what it is like. This analogy did not pertain to shooting a dog, but to the whole entire experience of being an LEO. You know, the daily grind so to speak. The day after day, year after year, experiences of that career. Stress does take a toll. Experiences over time can affect how someone responds.
Not condoning shooting dogs by LEO by any means just stating that is it easy to criticize when you have not had those experiences. You need to know the "whole picture" like in the video GSDadmin posted. What is the whole story?
by Blitzen on 12 May 2012 - 12:41
|"For the sake of education (since I'm an educator). I was using an analogy. Unless you walk in someone else's shoes, you have no idea what it is like. This analogy did not pertain to shooting a dog, but to the whole entire experience of being an LEO. You know, the daily grind so to speak. The day after day, year after year, experiences of that career. Stress does take a toll. Experiences over time can affect how someone responds.|
"Not condoning shooting dogs by LEO by any means just stating that is it easy to criticize when you have not had those experiences. You need to know the "whole picture" like in the video GSDadmin posted. What is the whole story?"
by GSD Admin on 12 May 2012 - 13:58
|The story is posted here. The dog did not bite anyone the person who reported it as menacing was the person who caught it and chained it to the front of the trailer. These were LEOs and not animal control. They had the dog under control, they are not judge and jury to decide if a dog under control should be shot in front of it's owners. The dog was wagging it's tail after the first shot and the officer pulls his gun and shoots him again. Sickening.|
And what about this story? I suppose this elderly cat was a problem.
"You know, the daily grind so to speak. The day after day, year after year, experiences of that career. Stress does take a toll. Experiences over time can affect how someone responds."
If it becomes such a hassle and grind--then please find a different career, no one ever said it was easy, what is being said is if you have this daily grind issue find a different job because you don't have what it takes to be an officer. They carry guns and have almost absolute authority and if they are bothered by the daily duties and stress of their jobs then they don't need to be police officers. You have made my point. So, it is about the daily stress and grind which is why their guns and badges should be taken away.
by Gigante on 12 May 2012 - 14:51
by Gigante on 12 May 2012 - 15:47
Really....., we are talking about the abuse of animals and the automatic use of lethal force by many on pets. Any person who does not automatically shoot an animal is qualified to discuss, seems to me. For the most part the thread has been very clear.
Perhaps start a thread for people who don't know LEO or have them in the family. What its like or how hard it is or how many times its done right on different topics is quite irrelevant to this topic.
This one has been pretty specific. Problem identified, problem being discussed. I don't know if your thought on that post was an attempt to derail or side track anyone from talking about the abuse of animals by some police officers. But comments like that are often used for the how dare you argument. Many people including LEO are taking the "general bashing argument" when for the most part whats being presented is a single argument.
Often used when you are unable to debate the actual argument, sidetrack.. throw rocks, throw insults ask irrelevant questions.. Just sayin...
by beetree on 12 May 2012 - 20:18
You got an agenda, it is clear. Trash all cops because they will all shoot your pets. I get it. They have big guns and just want to use your dog as target practice. It's not everyday one gets to actually watch the rendering of blood and guts and get away with it. It makes their day. Therefore we should not have any cops. Everybody should get a gun and learn how to use it. If you don't do that, then it is going to be your own damn fault if something bad happens to you. And don't call you for help, because that's not how it works. You watch your yard, and I'll watch mine. That mean's I'll shoot the bad guy in my yard and you shoot the bad guy in your yard and that way no one will shoot our pets.
by 4 mals2sheps on 12 May 2012 - 21:01
|I have been followig this topic so here I go ,beetree your right the last people I will call will be the police. I live in the backwoods of Michigan local sherf. dept. has cost our county triple in insurance because of law suits, 18 miles to east another dept officer at local hotdog place causes a scene drunk and disorderly fellow officers let him go later that evening he goes in a ditch,car catches on fire lots of witnesses again let off...move to east 25 more miles 3 officer's suspended for coverup, teenager with knife at school happens to be undersherriffis step son, lets move to the northwest officers enter home without a warrant harrassing a highschooler big mistake this time parents were there. So who would you call? Me I'll take care of it my self... one foot in door way, one foot out is the saying here . And my dogs will be safe...( oh growing up my neighbor was a officer very nice ,stand up guy and not a bully retired a sergent don't make them like that anymore)|
by beetree on 12 May 2012 - 21:51
|Pretty much. That's what civilization is all about. The station isn't too far, but the cops love my road for a speed trap. I feel like I know them, LOL My neighbor across the street is a cop. He works at night. I do have a GSD, and a husband who lifts weights. I'm short the gun.|
by 4 mals2sheps on 12 May 2012 - 22:00
|I got it ! sounds like you love a man in uniform.(hahaha)or your so living in a policed community.|
by beetree on 12 May 2012 - 22:13
|Well, isn't that where the anti-cop side is saying where these pets are getting shot... mostly in residential, urban areas is my guess? How many guns per square yard do you think it will take to replace the current police system? Do you really think it is a good idea that everyone in a high rise apt building needs to be packing heat? Doesn't it make more sense to have a sensible society instead of a paranoid one?|
Please, I hope folk don't feel the need to search out a rural cop that shot FIFI just to prove me wrong, I'm sure it is out there.
by 4 mals2sheps on 12 May 2012 - 22:27
|Beetree, Why are you so defencive, everyone has an right to give there opinion ,with me putting facts about departments was ment to say, I don't like corruption and I will take care of my self and my animals and I have that right to protect my property . If you chose not too that is your choose and yes I live in a civilized society but it doesn't mean I can not think for or do for myself . sounds to me this to you is more about antiguns and people having there own minds about whats right and wrong ......... <<ITS WRONG TO KILL PEOPLES PETS>>....... that's is my opinion.|
by ggturner on 12 May 2012 - 22:33
| I don't know if your thought on that post was an attempt to derail or side track anyone from talking about the abuse of animals by some police officers|
I started this thread, remember? You have side tracked it over and over again. Why don't you start your own thread bashing LEOs? That was not the intent of this thread.
by beetree on 12 May 2012 - 22:38
|I thought I was debating my side, and tried not to make it personal, so I'm sorry if that is how I came across. That was not my intent, but I don't know any other way to say the opposing view. I understand yours, I get it. But it isn't practical for the world is my point.|
by alboe2009 on 12 May 2012 - 23:09
|I'll reiterate that there are many issues going on in /with this thread. I'll speak on my behalf, my experience and my training.|
Not each and every individual, but the majority, (and for sake of conversation that could be 51%/49%) it is an "Us against them" mentality out their in society/on the street. and for the most part it will always be. There are a hundred reasons for that across the country and those reasons will never be totally rectified. There are many reasons why LEO, let alone anyone in any profession, even no profession is either bad, goes bad or any other negative descriptor pertaining to themselves or their job.
For the video with the two officers; Depending on their scope of authority, meaning some entities are multi-profession/multi-authority; their LEOs or Public Safety individuals. Police Powers/EMS powers, Police Powers/AC Powers and such. Don't know if that is the case here? I would think so since Officer #1 had the noose pole either with him or in his cruiser. If not having AC Powers I have no idea why he/they would take it upon themselves to take control of the dog? or even attempt to take control of the dog. If I remember correctly Officer #2 in his left hand had his Taser and no idea why it was not in his weapon hand? I believe later in the video Officer #2 does take out his duty weapon when the dog, (noosed) goes towards him or in his direction. What little info we have I have no idea the need or reason(s) for shooting this dog. With only seeing this video from the time it was shown with no audio and with no "before video" or "after video" knowledge I would be highly outraged! I can see no justification for actions that took place. BUT understand no matter how much you don't want to hear or to acknowledge it, we do not have all the information/the whole story. It would appear that both Officers are young but especially Officer #1, the shooter. no idea why the choice to shoot was initiated let alone Officer #1 doing the shooting? He did not have total control let alone to have control and shoot. Evident by first shot. At no time (in this video) did I see aggression towards anyone let alone the Officers to warrant a shooting. But it would appear in my eyes Officer #1 was talking to a Supervisor on cell phone prior to his actions being taking.
No one is untouchable. There is always a way. First and foremost; Time, effort, money and the ability to handle any and all repercussions and backlash. And not just one person but the family and members. What some forget is that a Sheriff was elected/voted in. And he/she can be voted out. A Sheriff/Sheriffs Deputy are not the same as a Police Chief or Police Officers. Now if there are no Police or County Police than the Sheriffs' Depart is the Police. But the county residents voted him/her in. I would think you have a County Council and they might be interested. If your area is a "Good ole boy system, then you go outside that system: States Attorneys' Office and above. Can't really comment on the drunk Officer incident, appears to be handled wrong. Subject with knife on school property. Probably the only Police in that jurisdiction were the Sheriffs Department. No Deputy is going to arrest their bosses son. A more severe crime, maybe. Can't comment on the warrantless entry, there are many scenarios that Police can enter a residence without a warrant. And FYI, KNOW THE LAW! That "One foot in the doorway and one foot out" theory is a fallacy. Articulation, money, effort and an entity that is afraid of the police.
For the most part, I loved my job. My goal was to be #1 in any and all stats possible. To have the serious crimes and to make the most impact. To put up enough stats and experiences to make "Law Enforcement Officer of the Year". Just to be nominated is an honor. To win is even better. I butted heads more than once over Integrity issues, Principle issues and such. Right is right---wrong is wrong. No two ways about it.
by 4 mals2sheps on 12 May 2012 - 23:19
|No one has the right to shot someones pet!! back on topic !!|
by alboe2009 on 12 May 2012 - 23:57
by 4 mals2sheps on 13 May 2012 - 00:01
|No administrators and ggturner asked .NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO SHOT SOMEONES PET......back on topic ..|
by alboe2009 on 13 May 2012 - 00:07
|Who are you commenting to???|