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by Gigante on 06 May 2012 - 15:19 |
| Im not sure training is going to help that type of.... evil?, right. Since this thread turned shoot the messengers, Im specifically talking about the officers who maced the puppies in the cage and trained thier weapons on them before being stopped, with regards to my evil observation. Heres another one of eight that Im reading about today, that perhaps had this officer attended one of Jims classes an animal may not have been shot. I dont know. On April 15, the McCullough family lost their home in a fire, leaving them homeless. They have been staying elsewhere but would return to their home to feed their dog "Angel" and the 11 puppies she gave birth to last week. Wednesday morning, the family was in their home when Hammond Police arrived.
Louis McCullough said police were screaming so Angel started to bark. "She ran toward (the officer)," McCullough said. McCullough said he told the dog to stop. "She stopped to turn and look at me and he shot her in the back." |
by BabyEagle4U on 06 May 2012 - 17:35 |
| * "These cowboy LEOs are in the minority and suggesting that all LEO's are alike is the same level of thought as racial profiling." * --  Unbelievable. I guess because you say it - it isn't racial profiling. I think the interesting part about all these incidents is the comments coming in from people outside the US. If you go to the websites where each incident is originally reported and read the comment section - it seems foreign people understand the stair step tactic in regards to the use of force continuum. Unfortunately in the US, most will only know of it when it's presented at their door. |
BabyEagle4U by Blitzen on 07 May 2012 - 03:58 |
| Harris County Precinct 4 deputy constables said several people broke into a home on Sterling Stone at Stone Bluff Tuesday night. Deputies caught one person, but several others ran into some nearby woods. Dogs were brought in to search for the suspects. During the search, one of the dogs, a 4-year-old Czech-German Shepherd mix named Bleck, was found dead. Officials said they believe Bleck caught a juvenile suspect as he tried to hop a fence. "Unfortunately, the other suspect came up behind the dog while he was trying to detain the juvenile and grabbed the dog from behind and literally choked him to death," said Capt. W.H. Wieghat with the Precinct 4 Constable's Office. A necropsy is being conducted to determine the exact cause of death. Officials said the dog's handler and members of the department are taking the death very hard. "It's been a rough time for all of us, I tell you," said Wieghat. "(His handler) worked with the dog 40 hours a week, went home with him. It's just like losing your child." The home invasion suspects were eventually captured. Officials said they have not received a confession from the suspect accused of killing Bleck, but two others have identified him as the culprit. Investigators said they believe the suspects, including two 19-year-olds, a 21-year-old, a 17-year-old and a juvenile, are linked to other burglaries in the area. The suspect could be charged with interfering with a canine, which is a third-degree felony, but the constable's office wants the charge upgraded. Additional burglary charges are expected to be filed." |
Blitzen by Blitzen on 07 May 2012 - 04:03 |
| http://www.katu.com/news/local/119120759.html http://www.kmtr.com/news/local/story/Police-dog-killed-in-the-line-of-duty/nbHIQ3PiaUWxnIURM9tnhQ.cspx |
by BabyEagle4U on 07 May 2012 - 15:55 |
| So what are you trying to say on the Keeping Your Dog Safe from Law Enforcement thread, because criminals strangle a Police dog it's ok for the Police to kill innocent dogs on their own property everywhere the Police go ? Convienient to derail to circulus in probando. |
by Blitzen on 07 May 2012 - 17:08 |
| http://www.lifewithdogs.tv/2012/01/tribute-paid-to-police-dogs-killed-in-action/ |
by BabyEagle4U on 07 May 2012 - 18:07 |
| Slamdunc and alboe2009 have taken a typical position of LEO's in defense of other LEO's in this matter. There is nothing wrong specificaly with that position, but what I have found is that good LEO's will defend bad LEO's publicly and tell the truth privately and tell you ... . I'll bet they both agree with many things that have been said here, but can't cross the thin blue line in a public forum. LEO's have been fired over much less and defending the opinions of civilians over other LEO's is bad for the career. So I hold no ill will towards Slamdunc or alboe2009 because the reality is that they have to tow the line. It also doesn't make their job any easier if civilians really understood that some officers will have NO RESPECT for their property or rights and that they should be proactive in defending both. No LEO can ever come out and warn civilians about those possibilities. So what can be done? Simply, if enough concerned people react over the issue of LEO's unlawfully shooting pets, get together and put forth grassroots efforts to pass laws making the action illegal in some manner, LEO's will have to stop. Look at the Brady Bill, Ruans Law and Megans Law. I'm not saying I support these examples, nor are they exactly related to our discussion, but they do show that citizens can tell law enforcement how to act and behave through legislation. According to Slamdunc and alboe2009 LEO's don't want civilians telling them what to do, nor have an opinion on how LEO"s should do things. So what happens, if a grassroots effort got laws passed that would force LEO's to take more care in handling animals? I will tell you: THEY WILL HAVE TO OBEY THAT LAW and it doesn't matter how inconvient it will be for them individually or their respective departments. They will have to train to deal with it, PERIOD and none of the noted problems stated by Slamdunc and alboe2009 will amount to a hill of beans in court, if the law were to give them more strict guidlines for dealing with animals on private property. Also on a side note, the data for LEO's shooting animals on private property exists for every PD in the USA. It may not be organized and ready for analysis, but its there, either as a hand written report in a file cabinet or as a digital notation in a database. I'm not sure what legal mechanism could trigger the release of the raw data, nor how much such a study would cost, but LACK OF DATA is NOT the issue. Its more like a lack of overall analysis across the USA, the unifying of data from different unrelated filing/storage systems and no funding to support such an enormous study. So who's starting the FaceBook community page ? lol |
by momosgarage on 09 May 2012 - 14:53 |
| What happened to this topic? No other comments? |
by Gigante on 09 May 2012 - 15:07 |
but because of those who look on and do nothing. |
by BabyEagle4U on 10 May 2012 - 10:30 |
| .. because its like arguing with people declaring that 2+2=5. They outnumber us so they must be right. |
by Blitzen on 10 May 2012 - 12:53 |
| Not really BE. We just know you can't fix stupid. |
by Gigante on 10 May 2012 - 14:08 | |
Clarification please. Wanting to reduce the number of inhumane and needless kills is stupid? | |
by beetree on 10 May 2012 - 14:23 |
| Clarification.... Why? It won't do you any good. |
beetree by Gigante on 10 May 2012 - 14:44 |
Its always good to be clear. Especially when you make comments that can mean alot of different things. bee you keep saying stuff like that, you drop in, drop a few words, and leave. But still you have never stated why you feel this thread is a waste of time. |
by Blitzen on 10 May 2012 - 17:04 |
| Look, Gigante et al. No, I don't like it any better than you that some cops are cowboys and do kill people's dogs for no good reason. IMO cops like that are in the minority, so don't go putting words in my mouth suggesting I don't give a damn when it happens. I've had my say and I'm not going to keep beating the dead horse. Buzz off............ |
by Gigante on 10 May 2012 - 21:27 |
| Fair enough, please be so kind as to post your productive noise making ideas when you find some. The sooner people come up with valid ideas, rather then argue if its even a issue, the better for peoples pet's. At this point, its all anybody can ask for.. |
by beetree on 10 May 2012 - 21:44 |
| Who's asking what? You aren't asking squat. Just talking squat. |
by Gigante on 10 May 2012 - 22:03 | |
Im asking you to please post
Will you please post any productive noise making ideas if you come up with some? Was i suppose to insert a smily face, I didn't mean the derogatory. | |
by GSD Admin on 10 May 2012 - 22:04 |
| Gigante They kill innocent mentally ill homeless people so a dog is no big deal. Just another thing standing in their forfeiture fetish. After all, they need a way to pay for those stun guns and all their other little goodies. |
GSD Admin by Gigante on 11 May 2012 - 00:02 | |
There is a correlation between animal abuse and abusing humans as stated earlier. Im guessing your referring to those officers with a pre disposition to abuse animals and not all officers as your post kinda reads.
The forfeiture laws are kinda a straight joke. Who with the power to increase their own revenue and toys does not slip and or just straight, abuse that power. One recent case of here:
http://fox2now.com/2012/05/08/dashcam-video-leads-to-federal-lawsuit-in-collinsville/
While everyone is busy watching American Idol and keeping up with Jones's we are asleep at the wheel when it comes to allowing encroaching laws and bad behavior, passage. Same with this issue. To that extent we deserve what we are getting as a whole.
Dogs are the equivalent of a remote control. Not one person cared to really disagree.
16k thousand plus views about women handlers with lots of participation, 8k plus views about needless killing of dogs, on a dog forum, with little participation. I will admit though, that thread is fun to read men against women MMA match. | |
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