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by Gigante on 01 May 2012 - 19:28 |
| Only one left to go shot while sleeping! I have read shot while chained, shot while leashed, shot while crated, shot while running away and just in, shot on a catch pole. http://www.azfamily.com/news/Yuma-police-officer-shoots-aggressive-dog-149527515.html |
by oregontnt2007 on 01 May 2012 - 19:46 |
by Jennifer Thomas azfamily.com Posted on April 30, 2012 at 10:45 AM
YUMA, Ariz. -- A Yuma police officer shot a dog that was acting aggressively Sunday morning. |
by Gigante on 01 May 2012 - 20:33 | |||
They are. I guess they got the memo.
I suppose your handful and localized officer friends have never heard or said, "what ever it takes to get home to your family safely", quotas for tickets, "them or us", and so on. There are plenty of unspoken and locker room rules that are suppose to be adhered to. Posting three videos of dog rescues. Are you really that naive? How adorable.
I can post hundreds more of police doing it right while a camera is rolling, does this somehow change the idea that they cant do it better? | |||
by Gigante on 01 May 2012 - 20:49 |
I think you make the point excellently. A animal control officer answers a call about aggressive dogs. Once on site all is in control. Without firing a shot the animal is on a pole and ready to be put away in the truck.
Dogs are going to get out, I would only cheerlead for you shooting the owners if it was habitual. |
by BabyEagle4U on 01 May 2012 - 22:05 |
| Ya, the pets I posted were all killed by the Police. All shot and killed on their own property except Bear-Bear who was killed in a dog park. The problem I have is the Police shooting and killing pets on their own property. I can understand the Yuma Police killing that aggressive dog(s) in the link above. But when the Police hop threw yards at random and "RAID" wrong houses .. then shoot and kill a dog for being a dog on it's own property an given 100% immunity .. well .. obviously I have a problem with it. It's criminal and illegal in mulitiple Amendments of the US Constitution and my dog depends on me to keep her safe at home. Why the Police would have to shoot 5 bullets into a 5-6 pound chi chi to kill it instead of kickin' the little bugger away from him is beyond me. I'm talking 5-6 pounds of dog vs 200 pound man .. that Officer was/is nothing but a pussy arse punk with a badge and trigger finger. I'm just glad (knock on wood) the PA State Police out on the Interstate and my local Dept. Police don't hire these types, everyone knows and respects everyone's property. It's crazy to even read this kinda disrespect of life and property by "Peace Officers" on the internets. Gezzzz the horses are more aggressive and protect property better than the dogs n bulls around here, everyone has horses -- what's next ? Police hoppin threw pastures and bull pens and killing everything that charges at em' ? NOT !!! |
BabyEagle4U by Slamdunc on 02 May 2012 - 00:12 |
| Gigante, How long have been you in Law Enforcement? Since you are so experienced with what goes on in a locker room why don't you fill us in on your expertise? It would be nice if people even read the entire link that the OP posted than had an intelligent comment to add. For new PDB members please be very careful when reading information posted here. Misinformation is rampant on this site as it can be on any internet forum. There are many members who offer advice or make statements out of a bias, pure ignorance or lack of experience. Some posters actually have good intentions but do not realize how dangerous the advice they give can be. Before taking any advice on this forum click on the user name and read some of their other posts. Judge for yourself whether they have any actual knowledge or experience based on their posts. Search the message board for other posts by the member or search for information. For example, be careful of "Fluffy's" owner giving advice on how to handle aggressive dogs. There is a post recommending grabbing your aggressive dog and biting it on the face. There are a few members on here that offer excellent and sound advice, seek them out. Be very wary of the self proclaimed experts and breeders that regularly contribute but have no actual working knowledge or experience training or working dogs. I realize I am off the original topic of this thread. There is so much misinformation posted on this thread by members who have no clue, and just post drivel. I love dogs and have owned them all of my life. Obviously, I do not want any harm coming to any dog. I feel sympathy for any one losing their pet under any circumstances. I have commented on threads like this before and doing so is generally a futile effort. I will refrain from commenting any further on this thread. |
Slamdunc by alboe2009 on 02 May 2012 - 01:03 |
| Unfortunately, we're going to have to turn it up a notch; BE, for me....... What are you attempting to accomplish or prove? What is it that is really bugging you? What do you want people to hear you say? Anyone, with time on their hands can produce good or bad information on any subject out there! Next, just for me, tell me what your profession is? And if you have tenure? If you like, love your job? And if you think you're good at it or not? After all that tell me if you/overall your job, would love to be scrutinized by others who don't work let alone know your job. Having an idea or opinion is not KNOWING the job! Now for your job did you spend six or 7 mos in an Academy or an Academy type atmosphere? And once at your job did you complete more rigorous/advance training to determine if you were competent to work by yourself? And after that did/or were you under a probation for one or two years to see how you performed your job? I would venture to say "NO" to all/any of those questions. We are entitled to our opinions.............I'll agree to that. To go to an extreme, or overboard, or over the edge in my eyes and (I believe I have the experience to state that), is wrong! First and foremost! You have no facts of each and every situation. You were not there. Are any of these dogs yours? If so, then you possibly have the facts to that situation. You, I would think only know what the reporter wants/wanted you to know. Unless some one of these individuals are your friends? And if that was the case then you would not be a partial/non-biased commentor. When individuals are so animate about a subject there usually is an underlying stimuli and it's just not this thread that things are evident. I'm a firm believer in freedom of speech. I'm not a believer in people talking smack. And I believe if someone can dish it out they better be able to take it. Also, if they dish it out make sure they can prove it. Bringing forth a picture or article only proves a dog was shot or killed. The person who shot or killed the dog happened to be a LEO. Those are the facts. Each case is different in their own way and those facts WE are unaware of . I'm bewildered because there are many bad, terrible things going on in our world, our time and the duties of a LEO seems to be a hot topic by certain individuals? When you have some free time on your hands put up some pictures or articles about LEO doing their job on and off duty and I might look at you differently........................... |
alboe2009 by Gigante on 02 May 2012 - 01:50 |
| Ouch slamdunc, But if your going to mock someone, you should expect a volly back as well. I, as Ive stated dislike how these threads go. If. in any way. you try and look for a way to reduce the numbers or throwout an idea your labelled as arm chair or mocked, as you did. I think its a important thread and the more it occurs, hopefully we can all get along and try and see where everybodys coming from. I, like some think the numbers reflect my opinion. I dont have to be in government, to see and understand some of its errors. If we waited for government organizations to fix things that are wrong on thier own, would anything get done, quickly? Or ever? We are on a dog forum, you would think alot of people would have a lot to say about this topic. Maybe its the mocking and the f the police, that keeps us the served and them the servers from posting any of there ideas or thoughts. Thats crap and as stated, unproductive. |
by BabyEagle4U on 02 May 2012 - 02:04 |
| I presented my position clearly. What happens to these dogs on their own property is criminal. Im not going to argue. Have fun with it. |
by ggturner on 02 May 2012 - 02:12 |
| I began this thread because the article in the first post had some good advice from LEOs on how to help protect our dogs. Slam and alboe, I appreciate your service to the community. I did not start this thread to criticize or bash LEOs, but to help all of us to protect our dogs. |
ggturner by BabyEagle4U on 02 May 2012 - 02:22 |
| I am a farmer and racehorse trainer. I don't know any of the dogs I posted or their owners or anyone involved. 1. I have passion for everything that is unconstitutional in this country 2. I love all life .. sorry that bothers you. |
by ggturner on 02 May 2012 - 02:23 |
| Here's a positive story about LEO helping a dog: http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/police-officer-injured-helping-dog-11209665 And another: http://vimeo.com/21269232 |
by ggturner on 02 May 2012 - 02:28 |
1. I have passion for everything that is unconstitutional in this country 2. I love all life  |
by BabyEagle4U on 02 May 2012 - 02:32 |
| Okay I'm finished with this thread. I don't want my dog my child or myself shot because somebody thinks I'm talking smack. Unbelievable, I'm tired of taking the heat all the time .. where all the so called animal lovers on this board. Apparently nowhere. Whateva. |
by Slamdunc on 02 May 2012 - 03:23 |
| Gigante, Get a thicker skin if you are going to make erroneous, incorrect, and inflammatory statements. You really do not know what you are talking about. I changed that first sentence several times to be kinder in responding to you. I have posted my thoughts on this topic several times, I'm not going to do it again. Use the "search messageboard" feature and you will find a few threads similar to this one. There are over 500,000 Police Officers in this country responding to calls every day. Thousands of calls for service handled each day by LEO's. Exactly how many unfortunate instances are there with friendly pets and Police? I would love to see the real numbers. I would say one is too many, but let's be realistic. Exactly how many friendly dogs in their yard are shot by Police each year? Compared to the number of dogs that are allowed to roam free each day and get hit by cars by neglectful owners? How many dogs are shot by citizens, hunters and farmers each day? BE would be the first to shoot a loose dog on her property that chased her chickens. A member of this forum bought chickens just so they could "legally" kill their neighbors dogs when they stepped foot on their property and bragged about it. Not one person, except me complained about that. That member has killed more dogs than I can count on two hands, either by PTS "problem" dogs, letting them hang themselves or shooting them. That is way more than any Law Enforcement agency I know and I don't work for a small PD. But, they are a GSD breeder now with high end(?) GSD's. When do we put some responsibility on the dogs owners for not properly containing their dogs. Countless times I have been charged and approached by loose dogs while working. I respond to aggressive dog calls all the time to evaluate and confirm that the dogs are aggressive before Animal Control will respond. I have had dogs charge my K-9 partner who is very dog aggressive. I have never shot a dog. I have made over 100 entries when I was in Narcotics on Search Warrants. It was always the right house and we never shot a dog when I was there. We have used alternate means to deal with pit bulls guarding the drug houses we were about to hit. I remember one Search warrant where 3 pit bulls where chained outside guarding the approach to the house. I can assure you that those dogs would bite and tried, one dog got very close but no dogs were shot or tased. We have other more creative ways that do not harm the dogs at all but keep them at bay. Since I have experience in this area, I have a problem with your arm chair quarterbacking and innacurate statements. I was on a swat call out yesterday, a 6 hour barricaded hostage call, third one this week. I was assigned to the reaction / rescue team with my dog. After being on the side of the house waiting for 6 hours to make entry if shots were fired; suspects gave up and we cleared the house and I went to put my dog away. Some old lady wanted to bring her poodle mix up to my dog to say "hi." She approached me from the side just as I had taken the leash off my dog and put him in my car. I was adding water to his bowl and the car door was open. This nice old lady said my "Bonnie" wants to meet your dog, I'm going to let them say hello." She then proceeds to walk right up to my car door. I was hot and sweaty and told her "NO, my dog is not friendly. Don't come any closer!" I often wonder what people are thinking when they do some of the things they do. I find myself wondering the same thing on threads like this. One thing about these threads that I really enjoy is getting to know some of the personalities on here. I really like BE and I understand where she is coming from even if we disagree on these issues. Others, well not so much. ggturner, I read the article you posted, it had some good information. It is a shame this thread couldn't stick to the points of the article, this could have been productive. |
by darylehret on 02 May 2012 - 13:47 |
Do you automatically assume when someone doesn't like you, it's because of your profession? Get real. |
darylehret by beetree on 02 May 2012 - 14:27 | |
| Slamdunc, Jiust one correction about this statement:
You forgot me! beetree | |
beetree by Blitzen on 02 May 2012 - 15:17 |
I didn't read that thread, but I'm pretty sure I know who did that. Bigger caliber bullets make a cleaner kill. |
Blitzen by Gigante on 02 May 2012 - 15:45 |
Slamdunc,
Please point out one of those erroneous, incorrect, and or inflammatory statements if you will. Im ok with being called on the carpet when Im wrong, look above. You don't have to pull any punches, if you are coming with your thoughts and or facts. My skin is great, the ouch was not for me.
" I have had dogs charge my K-9 partner who is very dog aggressive. I have never shot a dog"
I can deal with people blowing the crap out of any living creature that presents a significant threat to them, and theirs. Even if its a split second error. Some people and some things need a more permanent time out.. Im ok with that.
Your statement above is the perfect argument for those few of us on this board that think extra training and experience will save a lot of peoples pets and a lot of PR nightmares. Theres a reason you have not had to shoot a dog as of yet, Im guessing its not because you don't encounter aggressive dogs ever. It's that reason that should be force spread around. IMO _____
I began this thread because the article in the first post had some good advice from LEOs on how to help protect our dogs. Slam and alboe, I appreciate your service to the community. I did not start this thread to criticize or bash LEOs, but to help all of us to protect our dogs. Why is that we must learn how to protect our dogs from the police on our property, in our homes and we are not allowed to discuss with the police the seriousness of the having to do so. Insert sheep bahhhh here. |
by Slamdunc on 02 May 2012 - 17:56 |
| gigante, Go back an read your own posts and you might figure it out. Then go back and read my posts. I will finish by saying it is not worth my time to debate the ridiculous statements you have posted. The pervasive attitude that runs rampant in Law Enforcement regarding peoples pets and what is discussed in roll call and in locker rooms according to you???? Simply idiotic. I am open to a discussion with someone who either asks an intelligent question or makes an intelligent clearly thought out statement. I have seen few of those from you on this topic. I have explained how we handle aggressive dogs and it is rarely lethal, it is very unlikely for members of my PD to shoot a dog. Keep in mind many LEO's also own pets. Again, so we can discuss this accurately please provide the stats of freindly dogs in their own yards shot by the Police last year? Then provide the stats for the number of dogs hit by cars running loose last year? Then provide the stats for the number of dogs shot by hunters, farmers and citizens? It is a widely accepted practice by hunters to shoot dogs running at large in the woods and farmers will do it in a heart beat. But, that is ok? Couldn't the hunters be trained to use other methods to catch or stop the dogs? If the hunter was an off duty cop then it becomes an issue? Why is it people are not responsible for their dogs and their actions? Please let me know how big of a problem this really is, how often does this occur? Factually, not just another sensationalized event. Read the article, it gives some good tips. How should people protect their dogs? I would say keep them contained in your yard, don't let them run loose. Have your dogs micro chipped so they can be returned to you when found. Far more dogs are killed in shelters every day than I can even imagine. Give your dogs heartworm medicine and some vaccines. More dogs die for heartworm every day than have ever been shot by the Police. If you see the police in your neighborhood actively hunting for someone use a little common sense and bring your dog inside or secure it until they leave the area, don't let it out. Is it really that hard to keep your pet safe? We do train our Officers, they receive training in the Academy by animal control on how to appropriately respond to aggressive dog calls, how to read animal behavior and how to safely deal with aggressive animals. It is a DCJS required training and mandatory. We have a large animal control unit that is part of our PD. In addition, I also train the academy classes on how to deal with dogs and how to react to aggressive dogs. I also conduct training with our K-9's and the academy class. I have developed a PowerPoint as well as a practical lesson where each recruit interacts, tracks and does building clearing with the K-9's. I ask directly "who is afraid of dogs?" I need to know this as it may jeopardize my life or my K-9's partner's life on the street. I do get people who respond they are afraid of dogs, by the end of the training they are comfortable working around the dogs and the fear is subsided. The K-9 training class is one of the highlights of the academy. To supplement this I regularly do roll call trainings at each precinct with every squad to reinforce this training. I also set up training scenarios and bring squads in to clear buildings with the dogs and even safely with out the dogs. We teach movement with the dog and proper tactics. There is a lot of on going training needed to stay proficient in this line of work. |
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