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by destiny4u on 13 May 2012 - 23:32 |
| wow this is disgusting i know a person young boy like 17 tiny framed that was tased like hell cause the cops got the wrong house, anyways not all cops are bad i know, mistakes happen. but in regards to animals i think people here should be more respectful for the actual animals that are dying and maybe something can be done to protect them from such sick acts? I am shocked that somg dog owners just read this crap and are like "oh well they are doing their job" digusting. |
by oregontnt2007 on 13 May 2012 - 23:34 |
| FOR GSD: you said: While the last half of your post is on topic, we are not discussing loose dogs attacking others, that should be in a topic of it's own. And the drama comes from both sides. Including the story you just posted. the 1st half is fact, the 2nd half was drama the title of this thread is "Keeping your dog safe from Law Enforcement" I see posts on here bash L/E & little to nothing about the title of: "Keeping your dog safe from Law Enforcement" I see the new post of " see how the postal carrier " is now killing dog post thing or what ever going off topic of: "Keeping your dog safe from Law Enforcement" but yet again should we not be talking of ways to "Keeping your dog safe from Law Enforcement"? like? what is everybody plan? Ours is to be a great dog owners by: 1) Obey the law so PD "should not" come to our home & kill our dogs 2) being a good dog owner & not letting our dogs run at large so they can be shot & killed by LE 3) SWAT does make mistakes, but if they come in to our home & kill our dogs then they just bought us new one's. Now can anybody else see what we can do or come up with a plan to"Keeping your dog safe from Law Enforcement"? I would love to see this post turn educational instead of feeding off of a neg. problem that is very much real in our world today? can we be focused on the topic of how to Keep your dogs safe from Law Enforcement or maybe we should of changed to topic's title to how do Law Enforcement kills your pets and get away with it those dirty #$%^&*! (lol) there are good cops & bad cops and good dog owners & bad owners but the topic of this thread is not matching the title here. |
by ggturner on 14 May 2012 - 00:53 |
| Thank you oregon for actually realizing why I started this thread and what the real topic was intended to be! It was supposed to be about taking measures to protect our dogs from LEOs accidentally shooting them. It was not meant to be about sharing case after case, story after story of cops making bad decisions to shoot pets or bashing cops. |
ggturner by GSD Admin on 14 May 2012 - 00:58 |
| How does a police officer accidentlly shoot a dog that is tied up or cowering in the corner. And without threads like this discussing the sad state of some of our police officers how do we share this information. I/we can start a new thread if you like but what is the difference? The thread has been cleaned and is on topic all attacks have been deleted, all off topic deleted and all back and forths deleted. |
GSD Admin by ggturner on 14 May 2012 - 01:11 |
| No you don't have to start a new thread unless you feel it is necessary. My intent was to make all of us aware of the danger our pets could be in and what we could do to protect them since so much of what happens is beyond our control. |
by beetree on 14 May 2012 - 01:34 |
| I totally agree with Gigante et al. They have me convinced. Everyone should support their ideas, I feel so stupid now. |
beetree by beetree on 14 May 2012 - 10:46 |
| Welll, this morning I woke up and changed my mind. I don't really agree at all. I feel even stupider, now. Everyone should bring their pets inside if the cops are out and about chasing the bad guys. I think that makes the most sense. |
by Gigante on 14 May 2012 - 14:46 | ||
Its easy to see from your posts that you are unhappy with the direction of the thread. In each of videos that many have posted I saw No accidental discharge. What I saw was draw point and kill. In discussing protecting our pets from cops, why would it be inappropriate not to discuss the senseless killing of animals in real life shown in the videos and stories. Thats a part of protecting our pets from police, the really really... bad ones.
If anyone look's at anyone of of those videos and stories surely they would also be appalled and see a need for protest?
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I can fill this thread all day long with videos and stories, Im only choosing not to. LEO, cheerleaders and others continue to say this is not a real problem. Many police don't automatically go to weapons, thats silly.
Is it? | ||
by Gigante on 14 May 2012 - 15:23 | |
1) Raise awareness that killing Oreagons and other peoples dogs will not be tolerated inside his own home unless by real error or real threat and all other options exhausted.
2) If oregons or other peoples dogs escape on accident and community perceives a threat, animal control is called if not and a police officer responds, he/she will be trained in one Jims classes to realize a true need to kill or not kill. He/she will understand that convenience killing will cost them.... big time.
3) Raise awareness that dogs are not lawn chairs that can be replaced with a coupon. Should SWAT or any other police choose to ignore a rational threat assessment and go automatically to weapons their departments will be held accountable, where horrific the individual officer will have immunity defeated and lose his house, pension, car, firearms etc. Never to be placed in a position of trusted authority again. | |
by momosgarage on 14 May 2012 - 15:47 |
| This is what we are potentially dealing with, when it comes to LEO interatacting with our pets: "It was a mandatory evacuation -- we either go to jail or get shot, or we leave our pets behind." Then, he said, he and other owners heard a deputy say, 'Man, once everybody's gone, we're going to have target practice tonight.''' "There was so much commotion after that statement was made," he said. "We stood our ground and said, 'We're not leaving them.'"
"Next thing you know, we're either leaving … or you get shot." |
by clee27 on 14 May 2012 - 16:01 |
| I think most reading the thread get that it's an issue, but I'm sure how prevalent the problem is could be debated from here to eternity. How about contributing some solutions, or some things we can do to keep our animals safe? It does come off as bashing, IMO, when all that's posted is video after video, or story after story, whether you mean it that way or not. I realize some have made suggestions about what departments should do in regards to training or consequences, but mostly it's been more of an us or them type thing. Over the years I have adjusted how I do things with my dogs because of different experiences I've had. My dogs are always supervised by one of us when they go outside- over the years I have caught children and weirdly, a couple of adults, harassing my dogs in different ways. When in public, my boys are always on leash, no matter what, and I'm at the point where I really don't want others touching my dogs anymore, mostly because common sense doesn't always seem so common any longer. When I've been pulled over as the random search vehicle while entering the military base, I always interrupt as politely as possible to inform the guard or MP that I have a GSD in my truck and it's best if we step out and away from the vehicle. I've done the same with police officers, (warning that I have a GSD who may bark and startle them), at random checks they sometimes set up over holiday weekends or whatever. Most have appreciated my heads up, occasionally there's a jerk in the crowd but that's life. |
clee27 by workingdogz on 14 May 2012 - 16:07 |
| Wow, I have not seen such an Anti-Police thread in a long time. Amazing. Next time your wife/daughter/sister/mother etc is being raped, car jacked, robbed assaulted et al, just call your local crackheads to come to the scene instead of Police, or, call a Postal Worker. Maybe even 1-800-GOFed-Ex? Ask what 'Brown' can do for you will mean something totally different from here on in. UPS can serve search warrants now instead! Hey, it's obvious by the information here that ALL Police officers are morally and ethically corrupt dog killers and will do what they want anyway right?  I need to go reprogram our phones to have FedEX instead of 911 now.  |
by oregontnt2007 on 14 May 2012 - 16:20 |
| Oh please let me know how that one goes.... yet I dont think I would not be adding Fed Ex or UPS to my plan on how to keep our beloved pets safe...LOL? I did how ever after speaking with other Military familes ( how can I forget this one ), the "best" way to protect your home & yard is camera's. You can get them at Costo. You can program them into you PC as well. That way you could have peace of mind on he said she said could of would of but most important it can also be used against you and your dog. Well, at that point I dont know if you would want to infor PD that you taped your dog attacking them? Once PD knows you have a camera in place, you will see an a "new honest cop" just make sure they know they are being taped & recorded if on your property, I hope this all helps. Anybody else has idea's?  |
by ggturner on 14 May 2012 - 16:24 |
| Good idea about the cameras oregon. workingdogz--LOL about UPS/FedEx!! Gigante--no comment |
by GSD Admin on 14 May 2012 - 16:26 |
| I don't think it is bashing because NO ONE said this is all cops. Only a few bad seeds that seem to be covered for by fellow officers. Remember this can happen to you coming back from training, shopping, vacation or the police breaking into the wrong home. I honestly believe there is a shoot first mentality among some departments/officers, not all OFFICERS/DEPARTMENTS and if you guys can't see it then no amount of videos/stories is going to change your perceptions. Again, we are not bashing/pointing out all officers and for the life of me I can't see why people are saying this. I would like the member officers to discuss how many raids or calls they have been on were a pet was shot. But I don't think they would discuss this because it is shhhhhhh. Not talked about, they can't even agree there are bad seeds doing the wrong things. If you folks had a pet killed by officers I highly doubt you would have the same blanket warm fuzzy feelings about all officers. Walk in the shoes of the people who have lost these pets, live their nightmare. You can't so you just want to blame cop bashing when in fact that is not the case. Dogs restained, dogs tied up and dogs cowering being shot by the police, sorry I can't back that BS. Cameras, lol. |
by workingdogz on 14 May 2012 - 16:53 |
| Yup, I could also get struck by lightening, I could get hit by a car, or I could slip in the shower and split my skull open and bleed out. Hell, my wife could poison me too. You likely won't find any of the members that are LEO to discuss this type of situation any more than they would a shooting involving a human. And yes, there are bad officers, just like there are bad employees in every walk of life. Christ, we had to go around and around with our Postal worker for mail delivery because they were too lazy to close a gate. Do I think ALL Postal workers are lazy? No. Now, on the other hand, UPS and FedEx open AND close our gates. Having a fairly close relationship with numerous LEO's, I can tell you from my own experiences, not all appears as it is reported as well. I could site several examples of media one sided reporting etc, but why bother. I'll keep rolling the dice every day, as I have been for years now. I've been pulled over numerous times, (and I have had the high insurance rates to prove it) for speeding on the many Interstates I travel. I have yet to be tazed, beaten or have a dog shot. I have also never been unduly harassed etc. If I got pulled over, I was doing something to deserve it. I'll stick with calling 911 in the event of an emergency, Ya'll let me know how 1-800-Crackhead works out for anyone that has such a low opinion of LEO. |
by GSD Admin on 14 May 2012 - 17:02 |
| lol, If it ever happens to you, it will change your feelings. "You likely won't find any of the members that are LEO to discuss this type of situation any more than they would a shooting involving a human." No, but they will be here defending all officers and claiming the videos and stories don't depict the facts. When they don't know the facts either. Do some searches on what the courts are doing on civil cases involving dogs being shoot by LEOs. Immunity is being stripped departments are paying large judgements. But there are no problems. lol. Have a good day everyone and be good to each other. |
by clee27 on 14 May 2012 - 17:03 |
| While yes, I do extend police officers a certain level of respect automatically, I am not so naive as to believe all are good people. I can't imagine an incident like this happening to me, but again, I'm not so naive to believe it could never happen to me, that is why I try and inform officers, guards, MPs that I have a dog in my vehicle. This thread has served to inform me that it happens more than I thought and I appreciate tips and ideas to keep my animals as safe as possible. I feel awful for anyone who has experienced the loss of a pet at the hands of someone you should be able to trust, meaning police officers. Maybe it's a useless effort, I was only trying to point out that instead of arguing one side or the other so fervently, that it turns people off to the real issue, maybe we could share things we do to keep our dogs safe as possible. |
by GSD Admin on 14 May 2012 - 17:08 |
I think I will just start crating my dogs at all times, unless being let out in my fenced yard that has signs warning of dogs. There that is my tip, crate your dogs.  I have to get, yard work ahead. |
by clee27 on 14 May 2012 - 17:13 |
| Don't be grumpy ;D I hope it's beautiful where you are so you can enjoy doing your yard work |
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