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New BH Rules? by VickOH on 25 April 2012 - 00:12 |
| Is the down out of motion and sit out of motion gone from the 2012 rules? I've been trying to research it and have found conflicting answers. I want to try for my female's BH in the fall but want to make sure I'm doing it correctly. Thanks! |
by Elkoorr on 25 April 2012 - 00:18 |
| They are not gone. What has been modified is that with both you pause for a moment while giving the command. The pause is very briefly. |
Elkoorr by VKGSDs on 25 April 2012 - 00:21 |
| I'm doing a BH in two weeks and the only change I plan on performing is going 15 after the sit (instead of 30 for both). I do not understand this pausing thing and haven't had time to go see any other BHs being performed yet so I'm just going to perform the out of motion exercises as I always have. |
VKGSDs by VickOH on 25 April 2012 - 00:29 |
| So, for example.. Command, "sitz" with a very brief pause and then walk away 30 paces and the same with the "down"? Sorry, I'm brand new to the world of schutzhund and trying to learn all I can. |
by Dobermannman on 25 April 2012 - 00:29 |
| the "pause" is ambiguous. I heard one judge said "up to 3 seconds" in which case it isn't a "motion" exercise anymore. Also you only go 15 paces for the sit/motion before turning around. Still 30 before the down/recall. There are also some changes on the long down. Used to be you lost all 10 points if the dog broke. Now it depends on when the dog leaves. If after exercise 2 you get partial points Thomas Barriano Dubheasa Germania (11/05/99-08/11/08) SchH III M R Brevet AKC WD III AWD 1 STP 1 CD WAC TT Ascomannis Jago (06/20/03) SchH III AKC WD III AWD I TT WAC Belatucadrus (08/14/05) DS BH TT MR I Flannchadh von der Bavarianburg (5/21/08) BH STP I |
by VickOH on 25 April 2012 - 00:31 |
| Thanks Dobermannman! |
by Elkoorr on 25 April 2012 - 00:34 |
| This still will be fine. I think the pause has been implemented to being more sucessful in the dog actual sitting or downing. As you know, first time handlers are nervous on trial day.... and of course there is Murphys Law :) |
by VickOH on 25 April 2012 - 01:20 |
| Yes, I'm already nervous. LOL! Not to mention, my female is very handler sensitive. So I have to get it together before our first trial. |
by Jyl on 25 April 2012 - 01:27 |
| Here is an example of someone doing the BH. This is a video that DENNI posted.. It is in the Training section on here... http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/bulletins.read?mnr=536432 |
Jyl by VickOH on 25 April 2012 - 02:04 |
| Thanks Jyl! :) |
by Dobermannman on 25 April 2012 - 14:04 |
| "This still will be fine. I think the pause has been implemented to being more sucessful in the dog actual sitting or downing. As you know, first time handlers are nervous on trial day.... and of course there is Murphys Law :)" Typical micro managment So now instead of your dog not sitting or downing. You have to worry about them breaking the sit/down when you leave (nothing about using a stay command in the rules) and you still have to train a real sit/down in motion when you do an IPO I :-( Thomas Barriano Dubheasa Germania (11/05/99-08/11/08) SchH III M R Brevet AKC WD III AWD 1 STP 1 CD WAC TT Ascomannis Jago (06/20/03) SchH III AKC WD III AWD I TT WAC Belatucadrus (08/14/05) DS BH TT MR I Flannchadh von der Bavarianburg (5/21/08) BH STP I |
by VKGSDs on 25 April 2012 - 15:38 |
| LOL Thomas. For me the pause seems harder! I already trained it the IPO1-3 way so that's what I'm doing. They can take a few points if they want. BH is pass/fail and I'm super proud of my dog's snappy (real) sit out of motion. |
by Dobermannman on 25 April 2012 - 18:02 |
| VKGSD's Maybe we can lead the revolution? "It ain't a motion exercise if you STOP" ;-) Thomas Barriano |
by Elkoorr on 25 April 2012 - 18:19 |
| BS....Thomas. As VKGSD mentioned you dont have to do it. But for a first timer it might be helpful in being successful instead of loosing 10 points...and being disappointed over it. This has nothing to do with micro management, but everything with going out there, having fun with your dog and staying motivated to achieve something. So whats the point in being negative about it? |
by Chaz Reinhold on 26 April 2012 - 04:31 |
| So, essentially your dogs don't know how to sit or down unless you are in motion? Seriously? Even during random training and play, you don't sit or down your dog randomly? I wouldn't worry about any of this, unless your dog is a criminal. The BH is a temperament test more than anything else. I've seen dogs that don't know the heel position pass. |
Chaz Reinhold by VKGSDs on 26 April 2012 - 12:47 |
| The SDA FO (FO is their version of a BH) has a similar rule with their SOM. They allow for a brief pause/check. Problem is, I've never seen anyone try a pause or check and NOT get docked points for "handler help". It's sort of a catch 22 with the FO. The pause has to be so subtle that you're not helping the dog but that's not even worth attempting. If the dog can sit, just say sit and keep moving. Not sure how it works with the BH. As I said I haven't seen any BHs yet this year so I have no clue how people are changing their training or how it's being scored. I trained my dogs before the change was made, and since we train for the SchH3 that's how we'll perform it. |
by Elkoorr on 26 April 2012 - 16:18 |
| chaz: "So, essentially your dogs don't know how to sit or down unless you are in motion?" Not sure how this became about my dogs as I am well passed the BH with all but 1 pup. And my dogs know very well how to sit and down when I am not in motion; just like right now while I am sitting on the computer there are 5 dogs laying scattered around me.  But anyways, we just had our spring trial (UScA). For those that are newcomers and attempting their first BH in a UScA trial.... the pause is very very brief. If one is familiar with the AKC exercises (esp Rally), its similar to that. Stride, stride, stride, Sitz! feet together, stride, stride stride... and its as fast as you read it. And for the old foxes in the sport.....do what ever you want1 Yes, I heard that rumor that 1 breed club is considering this as long as 3sec. Forgot which one it was, but it was not UScA. |
by Chaz Reinhold on 27 April 2012 - 05:16 |
| Wasn't really singling out anyone. I hate computers. What I mean, is through training, the dog should know this. |
by VKGSDs on 07 May 2012 - 16:33 |
| I did a BH yesterday under Grewe and he wants you to do it the new way. I did a straight up sit out of motion (went 15 instead of 30) and got "yelled" at (I say in quotes because he wasn't really mad, just getting on my case in a fun way) for doing it the old/IPO way. So I obliged for the down and stopped, my dog auto-sat, I said "platz" and walked 30 steps. What he wanted to see is not really what I would consider a "brief" pause. Not sure how other judges are handling this. Will be doing another BH in June under someone else... |
by isachev on 08 May 2012 - 20:09 |
| What was the outcome? Kinda lost from your last post. |
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