Main > Unfair breeder-what to do (25 replies)
Unfair breeder-what to do
by Les Trois Baisers Slovenia on 25 March 2012 - 13:57
|I have reserved a White Swiss shepherd puppy male with FCi pedigree in the beginning of February, when the puppies were born. The deposit was 500 euros and I send the money to the breeders account in Czech.The breeders confirmed by mail and phone that money has come to the account and reservation is valid.. The breeder told me, that I can choose a name for the puppy and I create a nice name for the puppy. The breeder told me I am the first on the list to choose the puppy and I choose it. Evereything looks fine, the puppies have been vaccinated, chipped and in 6 days I should go to Czech to take my puppy. But yesterday the breeder informed me, that I can not buy this puppy and I will receive my money back. I was shocked, without words. What can I do? Inform FCI and Czech kinology? I am a really honest person and I do not know, what to think about this. What all sorts of breeders can I expect in future?|
by NigerDeltaMann on 25 March 2012 - 14:24
|My dear slovenian, don't be shocked yet because that breeder might just as well deny recieving your money. Instead, be happy if you get a refund. I know how you feel now; decieved, broken hearted and taken for granted due to distance. Try and get your money back/ look for another puppy. This world is full of "fukushimas" who can deal with you without pity.|
by eichenluft on 25 March 2012 - 14:24
|as long as the breeder sends your money back, they can certainly decide not to sell the puppy to you - until the puppy and money changes hands, it is their puppy to do with as they choose to. You are fortunate that the breeder appears to be honest and will return your money - you hear of many more stories on this board where they take your money and don't send a puppy.|
by Red Sable on 25 March 2012 - 15:35
To the O.P., yes, be happy if you get your money back.
by Ninja181 on 25 March 2012 - 16:36
|Count your blessings if you get your money back.|
Many others aren't that fortunate.
by Hutchins on 25 March 2012 - 17:20
|As I understand, very few breeders refund depoists under any circumstnaces, and make this is understood before the deposit is paid and accepted. The deposit is just applied to the next available litter. |
I would like opinions from EXPERIENCED breeders who have been through this:
What happens if a deposit is placed on a certain litter and that litter does not have the sex of what was wanted, Do you refund the depoist or do you apply it to the next litter as it was stated in the agreement before the deposit was accepted. He suggested the depoist be refunded. Also this particular person said he would take the puppy from the next litter and sell it. I am not really happy with this because I am careful who gets our babies. However, had I known about this person before I accepted the depoist, I would not be in this situtaion now. This person in the past, has called several breeders and has done the same to them. He has gotten his deposit back more than once, just because the breeders didn't want to deal with him any longer?
My heart tells me that since he understood everything, and I have offered him a partial refund, and yet he is not happy with that, I believe, its his loss...
PLEASE lets remeber, we all do things differently and just because we maynot do it the way others do it, does NOT make it a reason to bash others for the way they handle it. I am just trying to get a feel for the way others would handle this.
by Les Trois Baisers Slovenia on 25 March 2012 - 17:27
|All of you are telling me that I should be happy to get my money back. it looks that I live on wrong planet because I am honest and my word is the same as written agreement. It looks that I am a kind of person who doesn't exist anymore? All these breeders who are declaring how they breed for improvement they breed for money. Yes, I was very shocked. Dissapointed. My daughter was crying all the night because she had bought toys for this little puppy, she has prepared bed for him, she has payed the agility course for her and this puppy. After I explained to her, that some people are bad, she sad..They are not bad, they are mean.|
by Ibrahim on 25 March 2012 - 17:53
|Did the breeder tell you the reason why you can not get the puppy?|
by Les Trois Baisers Slovenia on 25 March 2012 - 18:03
|I wanted to hear her reason and explanation but she, the breeder said that she had an prebreeding arrangment with the owner of the stud dog and that she had forgotten about that arrangment.|
by Ibrahim on 25 March 2012 - 18:22
|You have all reason to be disappointed with this breeder. I think she just changed her mind and does not want to sell the puppy to you. I suggest that you first get back your money in full and then you can think of your options, starting this thread before getting back your money is not the best to be done, some of the European breeders are too "proud" of themselves and "stubborn", maybe if she finds you've started a discussion on the net about her she won't be happy and things will get complicated and not for your favor.|
by Les Trois Baisers Slovenia on 25 March 2012 - 18:36
|The more people I meet the more I like my dog.|
by Ibrahim on 25 March 2012 - 18:37
|I had a similar case where I bought a puppy from a European breeder, paid all amount including shipping cost, and he could not fullfill all necessary papers to ship the pup via a neghboring country and I was so disappointed and due to reading all about the frauds that take place by breeders on the net I thought I was at last fooled and my money was gone, I was so pleased when I received my money back to the point I started a thread here in public and I apologized to that breeder for the bad words I told him on the phone and via e mail. He was a good man but unfortunate.|
The pup is not yours till the full amount is paid, deposit in case puppy will not be delivered due to failure from breeder side should be returned to you or by your acceptance switched for a future litter, if the failure is from your side you loose the deposit. Just trying to help
by GSDPACK on 25 March 2012 - 18:43
|Sometimes, mistakes are made. It seems the breeder made an honest mistake.|
Sorry to hear about your dissapointment. Maybe you can wait for another breeding? I had to wait for a year before because the litter did not have enough puppies to fulfill the requests. I wanted a male and there were two males, one for the breeder, one for the stud owner and I ended up with no puppy. The next breeding thankfully had one boy for me!
Chin up, there is a puppy out there for you.
by hexe on 25 March 2012 - 19:04
|"All of you are telling me that I should be happy to get my money back."|
Yes, friend, that is exactly what we are all telling you--while I know you and your daughter are bitterly disappointed, this breeder is at least being honest enough to refund your money--assuming that she follows through with this intent and you receive that deposit. It's far more common in the world of buying and selling dogs that you'd never see that money again, so I think it's far too soon to label this breeder as unfair. A lot can happen in a month's time, and it may well be that the puppy she intended to sell to you has now been chosen by the owner of the stud dog under some prior arrangement--it could be that the stud's owner initially didn't plan on exercising the option of taking a puppy from the litter, but changed their mind when they saw the litter, for example.
Personally, as disappointing as this is for you, I've generally found that these things turn out for the best for one reason or another--you run across a different breeder somewhere who has a puppy who seems like he was born just to belong to your daughter, as well as being suited to her plans to train in agility, or you find out later that this particular litter turned out to have a high percentage of dysplastic pups... This is not the only breeder of good FCI-registered White Swiss Shepherds, so I'm sure you'll be able to find a puppy of equal or better quality and breeding as the one you were anticipating getting, and you can always call your dog whatever you choose, regardless of what the registration papers say on them. It's good that your daughter had not yet actually met the pup--it would be so much harder on her if she'd already had the opportunity to pet and play with him.
BTW, you mentioned that your daughter had already paid the fee for agility training--8 or 9 weeks old is awfully early to start doing agility work with a puppy! Most likely, once you explain what has taken place to the class instructor, they'll be willing to either refund that fee, or they'll just keep a spot open for your daughter when you find the right puppy and actually get him (or her) home. I am sorry for the disappointment you and your daughter are feeling, but truth be told, this is just the first of many disappointing experiences you can expect if you're going to enter into the world of competing in activities with dogs. If this is the most heartbreaking one of them, you should consider yourselves doubly lucky.
by Les Trois Baisers Slovenia on 25 March 2012 - 19:07
|It seems that you all forgot tha paying a deposit ia a mutual obligation for both the buyer and the seller. The buyer confirms his real interest for the puppy and the seller confirms that he will sell this puppy to the buyer.|
If paying a deposit is only a buyer's obligation then the seller can do anything he want. He can sell the puppy for higher price to another person, he can change his mind and do not sell this puppy and so on....
Of course I will try to find another puppy, there are still some breeders who are "oldschool" honest and reliable.
by GSDPACK on 25 March 2012 - 19:12
|Deposit is not taken in Czech as a "paid right" to get a puppy. It only is there to assure the pick. If they had an obligation to the stud owner, that one comes first. They will not jeopardize their relationship for a puppy.|
This is a cultural difference that has nothing to do with honesty. The honorable thing for that breeder was to refund you the money, that is a GOOD business practice where I come from.
by Ibrahim on 25 March 2012 - 19:29
|The worst possibility is she changed her mind and does not want to sell you this puppy, in my opinion she is not being dishonest since she's returning your money back in full.|
Just imagine that a customer pays a deposit on a puppy, describes what he/she needs in a puppy, and when time comes the breeder finds out that non of the puppies meets the customer's requirement and decides not to sell him/her a puppy from this litter, does that make the breeder dishonest?
Another thing to imagine, a breeder finds later through communication with the customer that his/her home is not what the breeder wants for the puppy and changes his/her mind and declines to sell the pup to that customer, does this make the breeder dishonest?
You have all the right to be disappointed but feel happy if you get your money back, and as Hex said maybe in the end it will turn out for your best, be optimistic
by Les Trois Baisers Slovenia on 25 March 2012 - 19:33
|Sorry, if you have no written agreement and if the seller said that with deposit you will take this puppy when the puppy is old enough, and when you communicate with the breeder almost every day, and when the breeder is sending you photos of the puppies so that you can choose and when the breeder is sending you videos about the pupies development, do not tell me, that I can be lucky to get my money back. I am a breeder too and in my country breeders are honest too.|
If we take a deposit we always refund it if by accident happens that the puppy can not be delivered. Thank you for all your opinions. I see that breeding is just a good business.
Yes, of course, my daughter payed for agility, but first course is puppy garten which is free. I know that 8 weeks old puppy is not for agility.
by Les Trois Baisers Slovenia on 25 March 2012 - 19:36
|Thank you, Ibrahim, I am optimistic and I go out with my dogs now.|
by Stumpywop on 25 March 2012 - 20:50
|You have stated that.....|
" If we take a deposit we always refund it if by accident happens that the puppy can not be delivered."
This is what you've already been told by many posters already and you've argued against this point. But now you say exactly the same thing? The breeder is refunding your deposit in full. Unfortuantely, unless you have paid the full price, the pup doesn't belong to you. This seems to me to be an honest breeder. You could have done a lot worse.