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My heart is broken! 911 DM ALERT IN MALINOIS by oregontnt2007 on 23 February 2012 - 03:38 |
| I bought the most wonderful little girl in the world! She was not the dog that was pictured when the breeder sent me her pic, thus not making me a happy camper with him. The worst of it all, I bought a DM DNA test kit with DDC Vet lab (?) a simple DNA cheek swab I had my vet do. 10 days later.... I found out my little girl was a DM CARRIER UGH! Her name is Mace's ODA if anybody wants to look her up. I also have the DM report as well. Just when you thought you got away from DM in the GSD, ( other breeds have it too ) you get kicked to the ground again. This little girl was to be my first sports dog ( wrong again ) she is the most loving & wonderful little personality I have ever seen in a Malinois! So smart and witty and oh so pretty! I lost one dog to DM 2 years ago My heart just breaks knowing that not enough breeders test for this, it is a smiple test that is 65.00 per dog. It also will save lives, your pocket book if they have DM and heartache.... |
by SitasMom on 23 February 2012 - 04:13 |
a carrier or affected? carriers don't get symptoms. affected dog do. c/c - clear c/a - carrier a/a - affected if she is only a carrier, there is no worry. if you decide to breed her, then you will need to find a c/c clear stud. |
by BlackthornGSD on 23 February 2012 - 04:13 |
| So.... your dog, according to the test, will never be affected by DM--as a carrier, she'd only have one copy of the gene. This isn't exactly devastating news. Also, if DM's never been seen in the Malinois, there's no certainty that the presence of even 2 copies of the gene would mean that the dog could get the disease. Also... your dog doesn't show up on the OFA databas online. So... is this story even true? |
BlackthornGSD by SitasMom on 23 February 2012 - 04:19 |
| http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/belgian_malinois/dog.html?id=1314483 - Mace's ODA |
by BlackthornGSD on 23 February 2012 - 04:30 |
| That's not the OFA database.... |
by EuroShepherd on 23 February 2012 - 04:53 |
| she can still be your sport dog. |
EuroShepherd by vincentpmchugh on 23 February 2012 - 05:31 |
| You should have done your homework. As a Malinois breeder I take one look at the pedigree and say that you should have never bought a dog from that breeder. The lines alone are incomplete in the pedigree leading me to think that this was just a breeding to make some money. It is because people like you that good Breeds get ruined, because you go and buy a dog because one reason or another from some shit head of a breeder that is focused on a buck and not a breed. I am sorry if your dog has or carries the gene for DM please as a responsible dog owner never breed her spay her first chance you get, because if you will buy a dog with little know of its genetic history and that has so few dogs titled or even proven to be working then you will probaly breed her because she bites a sleeve and it looks cool. Do the Malinois breed a favor and spay the bitch. |
by duke1965 on 23 February 2012 - 09:00 |
| if you had looked better vincent you would see that it is a NON pedigree dog bred from NVBK lines which initself isnot a bad thing , but it happens that there are blanks in NVBK papers ,as they use any good dog for breeding , if they know the background or not sitasmom , one can also choose to breed only clear dogs ,if enough available , and clear the breed from a problem |
by Jerry Lee on 23 February 2012 - 13:00 |
| I'am the breeder of this dog and have been breeding Malinois and German Shepherd's for over 28 years.Our dog's are from the Belgian NVBK Dog's.The sire of this puppy is 5x Sch 3 IPO 3 FH http://www.macesmalinois.com/jasta.php and is a very well known dog.He was produced by Bryak who is Belgian Ring 2 produced by a Ring 3 Dog and so forth.This client is not happy with me and has decided to express her anger here in a public forum.The female is my personal dog and these 2 have produced a total of 5 Police K9'S and 4 Military k9's In Iraq..This is the same client that returned a Male Shepherd Puppy that she determined was not a working dog after having the dog for 24 hours..Here is a video of the Male she returned-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIez7c_j6t0&feature=context&context=G2a47cddFAAAAAAAAAAA I have tried to resolve all issues with this person and all she is concerened about doing is slamming our Malinois's and then certain breeders decide to bash someone they know nothing about.Holes in Javelin's pedigree are my fault I need to edit the pedigree..Many dog's from the NVBK have blanks in the pedigree..ODA is papered with the NVBK as are all our Malinois's..Here is what the OFA has to say in relation to DM in other breeds..If ODA is such a great puppy why are you trying to sell her..I don't want a pissing match. Although any dog can be tested for DM, it is possible that the genetic background that predominates in some breeds prevents the development of symptoms even in dogs testing affected (at risk). At this time we are reluctant to recommend testing for members of breeds where the University of Missouri has not yet proven susceptibility to DM through microscopic examination of spinal cords from deceased dogs that exhibited symptoms of the disease. At this time the required evidence of association between the genetic mutation and actual spinal cord evaluations has only been proven in the breeds listed:
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Jerry Lee by Blitzen on 23 February 2012 - 13:46 |
| Just breed her to a clear nn if you decide to breed her. She will never develop the disease, will only produce an at risk if bred to an at risk or another carrier. If bred to a clear approximately half of the litter will be nn, half carriers. You can DNA the puppies you want to sell or keep for breeding when they are 4 weeks old. It's up to the Mal breeders to determine if this is a problem within the breed and worth testing for. When dogs are primarily performance dogs, they often suffer from various injuries that can mimic DM, so DM may have been around for a while and missed. Maybe not.... Who knows. Next time ask for DNA on the parents if this is a concern for you. |
Blitzen by brynjulf on 23 February 2012 - 15:27 |
| As everyone above pointed out. She can still be your sports dog? Why are you concerned about that? She is a carrier. It won't hurt her at all. So go start training that pup! |
by SitasMom on 23 February 2012 - 18:02 |
duke1965 - dm is horrible, and its best to breed only clear dogs, but if a certain dog is exceptional then careful breeding to only a clear dog may lead to more exceptional puppies and half will be clear and half will be unaffected carriers. next generation breeding the most exceptional dog that is clear is a way to keep the qualities of the breed while creating a line of cm free dogs with exceptional qualities. |
by Von Ward Kennels on 23 February 2012 - 22:00 |
| Vincent You need to lay off. Quote: It is because people like you that good Breeds get ruined, because you go and buy a dog because one reason or another from some shit head of a breeder that is focused on a buck and not a breed How could you say that? Horrible The best breeders sometimes have a hidden gene trickle down and show up some hereditary issue that has lain dormant. I am not saying that the breeder of said dog is good or bad. I just think your statment was way out of line and so mean that some people may come on here, see what you said and never come back. Stephanie |
by starrchar on 23 February 2012 - 22:27 |
| I think what is really important here is that this should be a wake-up call to the Mal breeders. If this dog is a carrier, there are definitely Mals out there "at risk/affected" and specifically this breeder really needs to test his/her dogs IMO. The DM gene is no longer "hidden" in these lines if this dog tested "carrier". OP- As everyone else here said, no reason to be heartbroken. Your dog is a carrier, but will not manifest the disease. |
starrchar by oregontnt2007 on 24 February 2012 - 14:23 |
wow, I said she was a wonderful dog Jerry |
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by Cassandra Marie on 24 February 2012 - 15:06 |
| Dear Oregon: I am very sorry that your puppy is a DM carrier. Besides using her for sport, you may have had visions of breeding her down the road. Now that you know that she's a carrier, you may have to readjust your plans. I'm not sure why the one poster was so harsh. Perhaps their deep passion for the Mal and their frustration that there are breeders that lack concern for the breed resulted in the above mentioned post. It took courage for you to share your findings and hopefully will bring new awareness to those in Mals. I admire your stance. It must help receiving such good information from the other posters that have shared their knowledge with you. Enjoy your baby. She sounds lovely. Cassandra |
Cassandra Marie by Jerry Lee on 24 February 2012 - 17:26 |
| We will pray for you and your family to find peace and the perfect working dog.I hope you watched the video of the Male Shepherd that you returned.He is doing a great job in his training.The Mali puppy would have performed for you in any sport..You have to let young dog's devolp and they have to be stimulated on a daily basis by a qualified trainer or handler. Can you please provide me the new owners name for our records.I have been talking with the OFA about this issue and they have repeated over and over at this time DM is not a concern in the Belgian Malinois.Jasta's and Javelin's pedigree can be traced back to the 1800's..I also talked with the NVBK in Belgium about DM in Malinois.There are no records of any dog's in Belgium with DM.Science can test for many things and maybe they are on to something here..Why was the OFA not used for the DM testing? |
by LadyFrost on 24 February 2012 - 18:06 |
" sold the dog since we wanted a sports dog & she did not have the temperament for a |
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