Conformation Showing > Tell me about - ?? (36 replies)
Tell me about - ??
by SitasMom on 04 February 2012 - 21:46
What else can you tell us about him?
by SitasMom on 07 February 2012 - 18:53
The experienced breeders are keeping their secrets......too bad!
by dogshome9 on 08 February 2012 - 00:18
SitasMom, I would love to know more about these great German & European dogs BUT I really don't think that many people will post,
You know all about the code of silence, no matter what is said good or bad folk are sure to pick on the bad traits and turn the thread around.
Here we have Breed Survey books and that is just about as good as it gets.
All Breed Surveys conucted for the current year are published in one book, Fantasic !!
by SitasMom on 08 February 2012 - 01:24
And this is why our breed constantly troubled with "issues".
by dogshome9 on 08 February 2012 - 02:15
We know the truth is that no one is willing to stand up and talk about the strengths or otherwise of these dogs, instead we stick our head in the sand and wonder why these problems keep occuring.
Even the fact that these dogs are breed surveyed, have excellent hips and elbows stiil does not mean that they can all be great dogs.
I am sure that everyone who has bred a litter has a tale to tell about one puppy that was a total disaster from birth but do we go and shout it for all to hear NO and why?? because who is willing to broadcast to all and sundry that X Y Z stud dog and of course YOUR BITCH produce this disaster.???
NOT MANY ARE THAT BRAVE.
by Sheesh on 08 February 2012 - 11:48
|I would be willing to bet that if you develop a relationship with experienced breeders, they will share their thoughts and experiences with certain dogs. Most will not volunteer such information on this type of open forum, and with very good reason. Theresa|
by dogshome9 on 08 February 2012 - 22:29
Sheesh, I very much agree with what you said.
I have a mentor who has shared so much information with me, things that I would never have found researching on line because they are just not revealed.
I am blessed to have this person as a friend.
by Sheesh on 09 February 2012 - 02:09
by SitasMom on 09 February 2012 - 17:29
this is exactly why our breed is having so many "issues".... too bad for us, too bad for the dogs...
by Sheesh on 10 February 2012 - 11:33
|People not discussing issues on an open forum, is not the problem. This kind of knowledge comes from time and effort and experience. It is not something that one can get instant gratification answers from a DB. Theresa|
by thunder9 on 14 February 2012 - 20:46
|Watch the flak from this one!|
It could just be that we as breeders don't want to share our experiences with every Tom, Dick or Harry that tries to be a breeder with no mentorship. Good intentions and the web don't make you an expert. Good mentorship does. Find a mentor. They are out there.
by sonora on 02 March 2012 - 10:51
I totally agree with all of you , it took me years and I'm still learning.
I all the articles and comments by Mr.Louise Donald,Mr. Fred Lanting,Videx and others
on the progeny parade in the Sieger Shows.
To me the critique of the sires is a true reflection of their prepotency,
as it is reflected in the progeny presented. This evaluation is carried out by experts
Thus we derive at the virtues and shortcommings of the bloodlines.
While always being aware of the genetics of the bitch.
I'm sure many web sites carry this info in U K and Europe, but if those who know do not highlight and share
the others will not know.
by vivek on 05 March 2012 - 18:53
Watch the hornet's nest stirred up by this one !
Sonora, you mean Louis Donald...............massive respect.
Fred Lanting.................... a man who has done so much for the breed.
Davud Payne I love looking at the Sieger Show through his eyes.
But without a mentor it will take a looooooong tiiiiiime.
Very often I see substandard opinions, driven by substandard judging.
In India we are quite fortunate we have a decent increase in the speciality shows judged by SV judges who stand and give a critique on each dog at the end of the class, that is the most important part of a show. The more critical a crtique the better.
We do have a couple of excellent Indian judges.
Dog breeding is highly competetive scene, and nobody wants to help off hand.
The other problem is many people think they already know all there is to know.
by jc.carroll on 06 March 2012 - 21:51
|Dog breeding is a very competitive sport, yes, but no breeder out there can exist without working in conjunction with other breeders. Sooner or later, one wants (or NEEDS) to introduce new blood. How can this be done without having relationships with other established breeders? Either in buying a pup, or using an outside male as a stud. I think part of the reason no one's saying anything much is any great dog can throw a sub-standard puppy, and the more a dog's bred to different females, the more chances somewhere along the line a pup with some sort of defect will crop up. T'is doesn't mean either parent, or the line is defective. But a little bit of knowledge misused can be a dangerous thing. If I were to say I bred to hypothetical stud Bobo Vom Kennal Haus, and he threw a dysplastic pup, people might start bashing him, even though we all know good hips can produce bad (and vice versa). Say I wanted to breed to Bobo again, people would bash me for "breeding to a site who produces bad hips." There's no win in that sort of discussion.|
by SitasMom on 12 March 2012 - 14:32
recently someone wrote that Canto threw heamophilia when crossed to certain lines........woldn't it be "fair" to let others know this so that these lines could have been avoided and the puppies wouldn't have to suffer?
instead it was kept quiet and the flaw was passed down and the problem is larger then it was before...
being competitive is great, but who's looking out for the puppies?
by Gustav on 13 March 2012 - 12:31
|Its not about the breed,....hasn't been for years!|
by thunder9 on 15 March 2012 - 12:42
@Gustav, you are correct, it has been about the money and the flavor of the month.
by Smiley on 22 March 2012 - 13:37
|Agree that people act all knowledgeable on forum but when you ask for information on studs they clam up. Would be nice if they shared their exerperience. Isn't that what a forum is for????|
I am coming from the horse world. We have no problem saying X Y Z about a stud and sharing both the good AND bad traits they are known for. No animal (or person) is perfect! It's important to know the bad traits as well to make sure they are not duplicated in a breeding.
I asked on the main forum about a dog named Zamp. I had never heard of him and read the article that was posted. I asked what traits he was known for and nobody answered. Also, it said he died at age 8 and I asked what he died from..was it genetic or an accident and not one single person answered me. Just silence........not good, my friends.
by Conspicuous on 10 April 2012 - 15:56
|I agree Smiley! I too am in the horse world and there is a large breeding farm in the US that gives full profile's on their stallions. They say what they tend to pass on and also what certain conformations faults in mares they recommend staying away from. How great is that?! Not that these are bad horses in any way, just that they are not always suited for every mare. They are not doing themselves any favours by producing poor offspring, so they help make it easy for breeders.|
For example: http://www.ironspringfarm.com/stallions/consul/breeding/803
by thunder9 on 10 April 2012 - 19:43
"and there is a large breeding farm in the US" with this partial quote you have answered your own question. Most GSD breeders are small hobby breeders that produce one or two litters a year (if even that). The quality breeders already have in mind the stud they want to use and the research is done by word of mouth from one hobby breeder to another. Producing quality litters is the name of the game not producing one or maybe two quality pups from ten litters as some show breeders attempt. A litter of quality may only have one or two that make it in the show world but does not mean the whole litter was incapable of making it but that the new owners just had something else in mind for their pup ie: pet/companion, working (and I mean a real job) or sport. I do believe that to much emphasis is placed on the male. A great producing bitch is hard to beat.