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by brynjulf on 12 February 2012 - 16:02

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I have a total defense Ellute kid here at the moment for a client.  He has been a problem dog since he arrived.  No prey and very handler aggressive.( I'm working him on a stick now, a leash is just too dangerous)  We have no idea if the problems were created or if he just is what he is.  I was VERY excited at the prospect of training him, hearing all of the great things about Ellute kids. We shall see where it goes.  he has another two weeks to get over this bite at every correction thing or he goes home.  I can't mess around with dogs like this forever. If I slip on the ice, he WILL be on top of me I have no illusion about that!

by northwoodsGSD on 13 February 2012 - 01:02

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brynjulf,
Can you post the whole pedigree to this dog? I'm not saying it can't be caused by Ellute, but you have to take into account the other side of the pedigree as well.

by brynjulf on 13 February 2012 - 03:02

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Unfortunately I can not.  if it was my dog no problemo, but it is a clients dog.  I can tell you the bitch is amazing, strong nerves, good balance in drives and what a fight!  She has Kobe in her pedigree so he could come by it honestly as his sire was a dirty bugger OR his early training could have been very unfair.  Hard to tell, tis why i like to start them myself.

by laura271 on 22 February 2012 - 12:02

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Brynjulf - Did the dog come around or is he still very handler aggressive?

I was thinking about you early this morning- after a night of freezing rain, the sidewalks here are covered in a thick sheet of ice. I fell this morning but fortunately, as I laid sprawled on the ground with the wind knocked out of me, the pup just pulled my hair and bit me on the nose.

Great photo EisenFaust!

by brynjulf on 22 February 2012 - 23:02

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he's going back to Con. on Monday.  I sent a video of him to his owner and she was pretty stunned at his reaction to the slightest correction.  The owner purchased him sight unseen and had him sent straight to me.  I have no idea what she will do with him.  I had another trainer who works with strictly protection dogs come over and see him in action.  He figures the dog was trained very unfairly as a youngster and just reacts.  To bad for the dog though :(  Hope you are OK after your spill, that is pretty scary to wipe out like that!!!

by laura271 on 23 February 2012 - 12:02

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Brynjulf- I'm sorry to hear that. Do you think this is a case where the dog could be retrained with a "purely positive" method (and lots of time)? Or is the dog too far gone? I suppose it depends on what the owner wants to do with the dog.

I'm fine after my fall. At least Senta wasn't there; last week, I slipped on the ice and fell on her- she's still pissed at me. :)

by brynjulf on 23 February 2012 - 15:02

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I'm sure he could be trained with 100 positive but what happens when he needs correction in his protection work?  For example he doesnt out and the helper gives him a lil tap with the second collar?  Who has the time to mess around with a dog like that.  I spent 6 week in the getting to know you, i am the bringer of cookies phase before even putting a collar on him.  The other problem is he has very little prey drive sooo food and toys are not motivators.  I guess if you had all the time in the world it would be ok.  But people pay me for results and they expect them. (rightly so) At least i was honest with her, the next trainer might not be.  And the breeder definatly was not!  The protection trainer said even he didnt want a dog like that to have around.  That says it all to me right there.

by brynjulf on 23 February 2012 - 15:02

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laura, the walker is in the mail :P

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