Main > Top Showlines with good protection phase (412 replies)
by uvw on 12 May 2011 - 23:57
by dogwood on 12 May 2011 - 23:59
|"Goes to show you how many conformation line breeders care. I would like to think they already know and just aren't interested."|
This interesting thread brought to my attention yesterday ... and I care.
Please count me in as a volunteer!
by Dog1 on 13 May 2011 - 00:20
|There's 5 and 6.|
by Slamdunc on 13 May 2011 - 01:07
|Ok, I'm in. I love the showline GSD's, if I knew of some that really worked I'd give them a shot for my next dog. My showline male from the mid 90's was a fantastic working dog. But the Showlines then were different than today. If I found a good showline dog I'd title it and show it. |
by Dog1 on 13 May 2011 - 01:28
|There's #7. Three to go.|
Are you into the working lines now? Can you post a link to your S/L from the 90's?
by seby on 13 May 2011 - 03:38
|I am in as well.|
by Dog1 on 13 May 2011 - 10:48
|I've got 8. Need 2 more by 12:00 or this dies from lack of interest. I thought for as much bitching about S/L work that goes on around here, people would be crawling all over the chance to do some research and see where the work is coming from.|
When you read what VKGSD posted. They are absolutely right. It's more than a youtube video or a performance test at the sieger show that shows what a dog has, you have to really know the dog, see it train, know what type of mind it has.
by VKGSDs on 13 May 2011 - 11:07
|Did you count me in?|
by JudyK on 13 May 2011 - 11:11
|Count me in.|
by Rik on 13 May 2011 - 12:17
|o.k. where are you sheesh. need one more.|
by beetree on 13 May 2011 - 12:30
I'm good at looking things up! LOL If you still need another volunteer......?
by AandA on 13 May 2011 - 12:38
|You can count me in - but I'm only here during the week (using work broadband)|
by Dog1 on 13 May 2011 - 14:11
|I've got 10. Here we go.............|
What we're going to do is a short version of what I've been doing since 2003 when my working female didn't pass the protection routine in Bakersfield. If anyone remembers Bakersfield, those dogs were tested.
I considered it a sign of what was to be the direction of the breed. Since then I have accumulated some knowledge about the personality, temperament and nerve of a dog. VKGSD put it very nicely that it takes getting to know a dog to see really what a dog is about. I have people like Armin Winkler, Ron Harris, Steve House, Lora Nix, Dan Heldreth, Kristinia Senter, (to name a few) and many others along the way to thank, They gave me insight about the inner workings of the mind of the German Shepherd.
Since 2003 I've been to many events, many kennels, many training groups and I always look to see what dogs are there and how they perform. When I see an exceptional dog, I ask who the parents are and look them up. Over the years my research lead me to the dogs I believe contribute their work ethic to a very high percentage of their offspring.
What we will be doing here is expanding what I've done and with the help of PDB and all those involved, continue the research and draw some conclusions.
Here's what we will do first. Develop a list of conformation line dogs that possess working ability equal to a good working line dog. The list will include dogs that have accomplished a SchH3 at a National event. The nominations have to have a proven performance. I love my dog, he's the greatest, but he's not going to be on the list because I've not taken him to his potential. If my dog's not on the list, neither is your's or your puppy's daddy.
When you nominate a dog, please list it's accomplishment.
A special invitation for the working line people. If you have competed at the National level and have seen a showline dog that you feel is worthy, you get to nominate the dog.
I'll begin the list with two dogs that have been mentioned here:
1. Triumph's Gucci
Pam Am Universal Sieger when he was around 9 years old. I talked to the judge that judged him that day and he was amazed that a dog of that age was in such excellent condition. He has a history of work and the accomplishment behind him to be included on the list.
2. Xasko von der Roten Matter
Multiple BSP participant, no need to add anything more.
Everyone can participate. If you think you have a dog that qualifies, please suggest it. We'll take a look at it. Volunteers start your search!
by gucci on 13 May 2011 - 14:20
|Thank You Dog 1. A little known fact about Gucci, He went from Scratch to Sch 1 in 3 weeks at 14 mons in Sweden. with the help of Bo Nyman's Club, If I had recorded all Bosse' taught me the last 2 remaining years of his life, I would have much more to contribute..It was not so much that Gucci could work, He loved to work, had a 9 foot sride and very hard to keep up with. Was such an honor to be his owner..Lida|
I forgot to add that he was on the world working team 2 times..in Sweden at 3 and 4 years of age.
by CrashKerry on 13 May 2011 - 15:00
|I'll throw out a nomination. V Jasper vom kleinen Teich SchH3 IPO3 FH2. Breeder HOT by a member of my club. 2008 New England regional champion, multiple times competitor at national events including the 2007 and 2009 USA Nationals.|
by VonIsengard on 13 May 2011 - 15:28
|Bazi Urbecke- I believe 2x German Universal Sieger?|
Jaguar Mausespitz? I know he never competed in the BSP or anything but ask anyone who ever knew or him, or hell, saw him and the first thing out of everyon'e mouth is "that dog could WORK".
Ork Werther Muhle (If you've seen him bite you know what I mean!)
What about Mary's dog or Ravi's Juneau? I'm afraid I can only base my experience off what I have seen here in the US. I've never had the pleasure of visiting Germany as many here have. I'd love to see some input from Chris.
I'm interested in the technique for this since I know a few PPD and police K9 that would not qualify for this list due to lack of titles and recognized accomplishments but they have drive and grips that any WL lover would respect.
edit: Nexx Hartis Bohemia!
and another: Ory Zollernblut, 2x USA Universal Sieger
by Dog1 on 13 May 2011 - 15:53
|We have Jasper and Bazi.|
by VonIsengard on 13 May 2011 - 16:24
|I see what you're looking for now, Randy. Proof over opinion. :) How recent do the dogs need to be?|
Jeck Bildeiche, 2000 BSP competitor. Placed respectably.
Is there anywhere online where I can view WUSV competitors over the last 10-15 years?
by Dog1 on 13 May 2011 - 16:28
|Yes, Proven performance over youtube 30 second video.|
I'll take Jeck Bildeiche, trained by Dagmar. He placed in front of Dr. Reiser's working male at the BSP. Not bad for a show dog, he's on the list too.
Let's not go back too far. We need the genetices to be new enough to be useful in todays breeding programs.
by eichenluft on 13 May 2011 - 17:22
|My showline dog works great. He has more drive for the ball, food and for the decoy than many working line dogs. He's always "on" and always ready to work. Extremely agile, quick. He likes to bite and looks the helper in the eye. He takes pressure and grips very hard. His nerves are absolutely solid. He would not be "one of those" showlines who slip their grip at the stick hits or who would not engage a helper coming at him with threat. We just earned our Schh2 title and he's getting ready for the 3. HOT of course. and He's very handsome too :)|
Aeros v Heulenluft Schh2,KKl-1