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by Ibrahim on 29 June 2011 - 22:21 |
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by Ibrahim on 29 June 2011 - 22:36 |
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by Ibrahim on 29 June 2011 - 23:26 |
| I forgot to mention one more thing I was told by one of those breeders: Building on a mother line or father line will continue the line thus will carry on the traits of the line founders. When you only linebreed on a good dog it's just like a white lie, you only get one or two good dogs like it, but it will not make a pattern or new line and it will not consistently reproduce the favorable traits of the dogs linebred on in next generations, better continue a good line and maybe you flavor it with extra good linebreeding, but linebreeding alone without a distinguished flowing bloodline does not make a a true pattern, it will break. I think I understood what she means, does it make sense to you !!! Ibrahim |
by dogwood on 30 June 2011 - 02:49 |
Congratulations Erin on your great accomplishment. You have proven what hard work, along with commitment, dedication, joy, endurance and perseverance can produce. And of course, a significant accomplishment for Zambo as well. Wishing you both continued success in in the future. A big congratulations also to Kevin and Vandal. I know how much work and dedication went into taking the road to Austria. karen |
by Ibrahim on 24 October 2011 - 15:52 |
| NASS 2011 These dogs that got protection awards FemalesHoney vom FinkenschlagParis von Wilhendorf Normanners Nokia Ellie vom Mittelwest Males Harry della Real Favorita Rocco vom Mittelwest Griff v. Temar Zambo vom Riedschlurgi Kimbo vom Globalhaus Two from Mittelwest, congratulations Ibrahim |
by Dog1 on 27 October 2011 - 03:14 |
| Ibrahim, Check the pedigrees and see if any come from some of the dogs identified here. I think you will find it interesting. |
Dog1 by Ibrahim on 27 October 2011 - 22:07 |
| I will and I'll post them Ibrahim |
by Ibrahim on 29 October 2011 - 20:49 |
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by Ibrahim on 29 October 2011 - 20:57 |
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by Ibrahim on 29 October 2011 - 21:02 |
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by Ibrahim on 29 October 2011 - 21:09 |
| 3 go back to Mark vom Haus Beck 3 go back to Mark vom Haus Beck & Ulk von Arlett 1 go back to Cello von der Romerau 1 go back to Cello von der Romerau & Ulk von Arlett 1 go back to Yasko vom Farbenspiel & Ghandi von Arlett Mark ia standing out in these pedigrees. Ibrahim |
by Dog1 on 29 October 2011 - 23:00 |
| Interesting discovery. Mark is back a few generations. I see Yello up close on two, Zambo and Honey. I wonder what you would get if you bred those two dogs together? |
by SitasMom on 31 October 2011 - 19:22 |
I too wonder what Zambo x Honey will create........... |
by KennelvonArizona on 01 November 2011 - 04:31 |
| There are plenty of showlines out there who can do the work. I have two Schutzhund 3 showlines, a Schutzhund 2 showline which I hope to present at the Nationals in two years and more to come. And I know there are several of my showlines out there working hard to achieve their Schutzhund levels. I love these pretty dogs and am proud of them, because in the end they all have to do the same work if they want to reach the top. It does not matter if show or working. Just do it right and be committed. Luckily for me I also have Ann Marie and Mark Chaffin as trainers, and I have my very enthusiatic members here at our club. As in all breeds there are people who take short cuts and screw it up for us who do it right, but they don't reach the top. |
KennelvonArizona by djc on 02 November 2011 - 16:14 |
| I would add a couple in as highlighted dogs, especially on Griff... Ghandi Arlett, Hillo Marne de valle, Hill Farbenspiel, and Tony Wienerau, in addition to Cello... ALL excellent work producing dogs! He also has Amigo in the 4th generation! Griff's pedigree is packed with work producing dogs! That's NOT to belittle his excellent training, but it sure adds to the potential level the dog can achieve with expert training! Debby |
djc by djc on 02 November 2011 - 16:36 |
| Ibrahim, I would go back one more generation and attribute Mark's work production to his sire Fedor Arminius. Fedor produced work no matter who he was bred to. Mark had a few "flakes", most likely due to their mother's side, although most of his production was very good. Jello is one example as this dog was "chased" several times in bite work and seemed to produce this. Then we have to look closer and really get indepth to see if some of these "flakes" were because of poor training, or if it really was something coming down through the line. I DO LOVE Mark's conformation in addition and I think Griff looks very similar! Debby |
by Ibrahim on 02 November 2011 - 18:06 |
| djc, Excellent information, I think the idea was to check the pedigrees of dogs with agreed on work ability as per the criteria Dog1 suggested and find the common ancestors especially the close up to recognize the producers behind this work ability. If you agree on adding the last 9 dogs (actually one of them was previously included), then please revise all pedigrees of all dogs in the last two pages and look for common trends in between and then tell me what to add/remove and I shall gladly re-print all pedigrees with edited trends each highlighted in a seperate color marking. Where there is Mark I will add his daddy Fedor. Also please advise if you like to add more to those dogs included in this little pedigree search and I will add them, what about outstanding protection work in German Sieger Show 2011? Ibrahim |
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