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by Nans gsd on 08 February 2011 - 17:02

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I understand this wormer is Panacur, does anyone know the dosages for dogs??  Lost my info when moving.  PS:  Thanks in advance  Nan

by vonHoss GSD on 08 February 2011 - 17:02

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Go on the Revival website and call them.  I think they make that medication for dogs now or they will give you the dosage.

by Jenni78 on 08 February 2011 - 17:02

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 Dosage for deworming, or dosage for giardia? You can use the dosage on the bottle for giardia, according to my vet. It says 3 days, but I do 5 and he agrees 5 is better for giardia (or suspected giardia).

It's astronomically priced to do multiple dogs, vonHoss, which is likely why Nan asked about the goat stuff;-)

I have only ever used the goat stuff, and so far so good. Never found any parasites in any of my pups after going to their new homes. 

by Louise M. Penery on 08 February 2011 - 18:02

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The pharmacy at the VMTH at UC Davis recommends fenbedazole  ve given at the rate  50 mg/kg twice daily for 3-5 days and repeated 3 weeks later. This amounts to ~ 1 ml per 20 pounds of body weight.

by eichenluft on 08 February 2011 - 19:02

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do not use any paste dewormer formulated for livestock, for dogs.  It is formulated by the lb - as in the entire tube for a 200 lb goat, or 1200 lb horse.  You don't know where the actual medication is in that tube of paste, as it's not meant to be given in small sections.  You may be giving no wormer at all, or you may be overdosing - you can't tell.  It is not equally mixed in the paste and there is no way to equally mix it.

Use liquid so you can measure it carefully, or use wormer formulated specifically for dogs.  Saving money by giving livestock-formulated dewormer can backfire on you in a very bad way - not worth the money saved for that.

molly

by GranvilleGSD on 08 February 2011 - 19:02

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The drug name is fenbendazole.  The dosage for dogs is 50mg/kg per day for 3-5 days.  I have used the SafeGuard for goats on my dogs and cats at this dosage with no ill effects.  So for example if the liquid came in a 100mg/mL suspension which I believe that's what the goat bottle is a 70lb dog would get about 16mL per day.  It's a little messy and it probably tastes bad so be prepared.

by Judy P on 08 February 2011 - 19:02

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The dosage for dogs is s follows 50 mg/kg which equals out to 1 ml per 5 pounds for 3 days.  I have used it for years and it works great.  Far less expensive than the stuff labled for dogs.

by eichenluft on 08 February 2011 - 20:02

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crazy to use it - but hey it's cheaper so go right ahead...

by Nans gsd on 08 February 2011 - 20:02

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OK thank you all;  Molly it is the liquid form not the paste.  Just so you all know the Safeguard for dogs no longer covers whip.  So had to resort to the liquid goat wormer or panacur and it reads 10% suspension and yes it is fenbendazole.  I do remember trouble with the ivermectin with certain breeds and I would not use that in large animal form at all especially the paste.  No and I don't need any problems at all;  I have some seniors to worry about so may skip my 12 year old altogether.  Thanks again,  Nan

by yellowrose of Texas on 08 February 2011 - 21:02

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nans gsd:

BEEN USING THE  GOAT WORMER FOR YEARS AND YEARS...MY VET TOLD ME   IT IS THE SAME AS THE LIQUID HE GAVE ME. I  do not have the chart in house and it is same as judy p also posted.

FOLLOW THE AMT ABOVE BY  GRANVILLE gsd...


YR

by mobjack on 08 February 2011 - 22:02

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Paste wormer is safe to use provided you pay attention to what you're doing. It's not mixed up and formulated by the tube. It's manufactured in the same way as everything else is including vaccines. In batches or lots. The active deworming ingredient(s) are formulated by dosage/average weight for whatever livestock the dewormer is designated for in that particular batch. Sheep, goat, horse, etc.

The whole thing about not knowing where in the tube the medicine really is, is a bunch of bunk. If that were the case, people would be ODing their foals, mini horses and ponies all the time or not worming them at all when they set the plunger for 250 lbs and saved the rest for later or another animal.

The important thing with using a paste wormer is to read the box and know your dosages if you're going to use "off label". For simplicity, some dewormers will treat a 1250 pound horse, others only a 1000 pound horse. The plunger stop ring may also be marked for anywhere from 50lbs to 250 lbs. Again, read the box and pay attention. Dosage of active ingredient may also differ from species to species. It's up to you to do the math and and get it right.

by eichenluft on 08 February 2011 - 22:02

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250 lbs for a goat or mini horse is a lot different than for a 70-80 lb dog.  You can definately overdose, or underdose, using paste wormer.  ask any vet who cares to answer questions and who are not selling paste livestock wormer for use for dogs.

molly

by Bhall on 08 February 2011 - 22:02

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Safe-Guard Liquid wormer is just fine for dogs.

by B.Andersen on 09 February 2011 - 01:02

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i agree 1 ml per 5lbs. It is safe and very effective. Paste wormer is mixed accurately so you can dose small horses and foals . The liquid is easy to use and safe on dogs and puppies

by Jenni78 on 09 February 2011 - 02:02

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 It's very safe, even in the much higher dosage recommended for dogs. You do go through it pretty fast at those dosages but I have never seen any ill effects, although they HATE it and after the first day, they are not cooperative about taking it. LOL

by mobjack on 09 February 2011 - 02:02

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Fenbendazole has a very high safety margin of up to 5000 times the recommended dose in some mammals. Pyrantal paomate is so safe you can buy it in the dollar store. Ivermectin has a lower safety margin and the potential for harm or death from overdose in certain breeds is well known.

Overdose/underdose is possible with any off label use, or use of a product not specifically formulated for the species. Liquid, paste, tablets, powder or granules. As I said, it's up to you to do the math and know your concentrations and dosages if you choose to do it.




by jamesfountain98 on 09 February 2011 - 03:02

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Safeguard is safe for a dog and GOAT at all life stages. I have given safeguard to young kids (baby goats) that weighed as low as 15 lbs  with positive results. I've been raising goats for 12 years now. The same products we use for livestock are often times safe for our pets. It is normally just a weight difference and measuring the proper dosage.

I don't feel like going outside and getting the product but I do know Safeguard liquid  has labeled dosage amounts for weights a lot lower than 250 lbs.

many products labeled for the pet market have a much higher mark up than those used for livestock and sometimes higher than items labeled for humans (example: hyrdochordozone cream for humans is normally cheaper than for dogs, fish oil is normally higher for dogs than livestock,) The concentration amounts and dosage should be recognized.

fyi: I normally give 1cc/10lbs for 3-5 days when it's needed.





by crhuerta on 09 February 2011 - 03:02

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My vet orders liquid Panacur for me.....it is also labeled for Cattle & live stock.
His dosage recommendations is 1cc per 10lbs.

by Much To Learn on 09 February 2011 - 04:02

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Reading from the bottle of Safeguard Dewormer for Goats 100mg/ml  (Fenbendazole)
25 pounds     0.6 ml       This is point 6 of an ml
50 pounds     1.2 ml       This is one point two ml
75 pounds     1.7 ml       This is one point seven ml
100 pounds   2.3 ml       This is 2 point 3 ml

I have used this dosing  for years and it has been 100% effective. 

Dosing may be different for different products.  
Hope this helps

by K9Sport on 09 February 2011 - 13:02

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I assumed she meant the LIQUID goat wormer (which is just a higher concentration per ml than the dog - the active ingrediant is the same fenbendazole).  I have used it for years.  I also routinely treat all my dogs after hiking in the adirondacks as there is a high incidence of giardia in the mountains (darn beavers!)

The Safe Guard for goats is 100mg/ml the Safe Guard for dogs is a 2.5% solution which is 25mg/ml.

For what it's worth...  goats are dosed at 5mg/kg so ten times less than the dosage that we treat our dogs with, so the chance of overdosing a large breed dog with safe guard paste for goats is pretty slim.  Even the 25g Safe Guard for horses only contains 2.5 grams of fenbendazole in it, which isn't far off from the 2 grams that a 90 pound shepherd would require. 

With all that said..  I don't use the paste and don't recommend the paste when the solution is much easier to dose.  But I do use and would recommend others to use the high concentration solutions that are available for livestock over the cost prohibitive granuales available for dogs.  Just becareful to dose your dog based on the 50mg/kg and not ml/pound...  that's where the confusion for some lies. 

My thoughts anyway :)
Laurie


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