Main > Amanda & Adrie lets find the truth (104 replies)
Amanda & Adrie lets find the truth
by michael49 on 19 September 2009 - 17:06
|I know nothing of these two dogs, but it seems many people knew and held them in high regard.There is talk of monuments an trophys to remember them and their plight, all well an fine in due time. I think this is the time to track the journey of these two dogs and find out what happened to them along the way. I'm sure the people involved in the dog world can unite their resources and trace the owners from one to another as this journey unfolds. Unless stolen, every link in this chain can be determined, and considering the dogs in question even stolen dogs have been exposed to someone,Breeding and puppies for sale along the way seems pretty logical to me. If you truly want to expose those responsible and put a stop to this here is your opportunity to get the ball rolling. NO OPINIONS WANTED HERE, JUST HONEST TRUTHFUL FACTS,THIS IS NOT A WITCHUNT, BUT A PURSUIT OF JUSTICE. START AT THE BEGINNING,BREEDER OR IMPORTER OF THESE TWO DOGS, WE NEED TO HEAR FROM YOU.|
by DannyJ on 19 September 2009 - 17:22
|I remember Amanda was being sold by a small breeder I want to say in the New York area, cause she caught my eye when was for sale. If memory serves me correct they were military people. I saw her first on that German Shepherd website that tried to get people to put in their pedigrees like the database, can't remember what its called now.|
I'm sure if someone wants to call AKC they will tell you... they told me but I wasn't listening... maybe Donna something. once they said a litter hadn't been registered with the dog in a couple of years when I talked to them I knew those papers were never coming. I know Lorenzo had a couple of litters with Audrie before the Max litter.
If I remember correct the Linnershof female he had also had some drama surrounding her. Much like everything else associated with him. I think someone in Canada has her now??
by VomMarischal on 19 September 2009 - 17:55
|Are most of you really really convinced that the dogs are actually the ones Helser says they are? Also, I saved the entire thread (before he deleted stuff) if anybody wants it.|
by Bob McKown on 19 September 2009 - 17:55
|All I know at this time is that the female I have once belonged to the above Danny and Lorenzo was supoed to repalce her wit a pup from Axles breeding. I do have her AKC paper work and he stuck Danny with out a replacement pup so I will complete that deal myself. |
After every thing that went on I have my douts Adrie was even in this previous sceniro.
In my mind Helser may have had this female Amanda all along who knows but we will probably never know that truth I had been told before by 2 people that Lorenzo was in Tennesse because he as family there.
by Mystere on 19 September 2009 - 18:08
|Danny, Is Donna Rednour who you are thinking of? ¶ I could be wrong, but I believe that Lorenzo is from Memphis. So, it may make sense that Memphis is where he disappeared to.|
by michael49 on 19 September 2009 - 18:10
|DannyJ, I appreciate your response I know it is well intended.What I hope to see on this board however are actual facts about these two dogs.There are others on this board that know how to aquire information from dog affiliations in this country as well as others,I'm hoping these people will apply their knowledge and bring forth their findings in this thread publicly.I don't have the knowledge to do all that is required, but I feel as a united group this can be accomplished. As I see it ,this knowledge an didication to finding the truth are the only contributions needed here. Lets keep this thread at the top untill we are content that we have exausted all possibillitys or accomplished our goal.|
by hunter k-9 on 19 September 2009 - 18:25
| I know Amanda had a few breedings with Houserhaus. Right around the time Lerenzo left I had a guy from Alabama wanting contact info for Lerenzo. He had placed money down on a Amanda pup and money down for the Koos seminar. (The 2nd Koos seminar) The guy was all ready for his pup and Lerenzo just fell off the face of the earth. |
I bought a pup from the F litter (Linnershof Bitch) and had no problems with Lerenzo. I got my papers and everything was cool. The Linnershof bitch was sold to a lady in Canada, she also owns a pup from the F litter.
I whelped the G litter that Adrie had for Lerenzo and everthing still seemed ok. Then the papers never came thru. I called AKC and found out that Lerenzo had no rights on Adrie's paperwork. The last person to have the paperwork was a lady named Debbie. I cant think of her last name? I was told that Adrie was sold to a kennel up north with a Max straw which ended up being false. (Not a Max straw)
The stories go on and on but maybe one day the truth will be out about all of this. It just sucks that in the end the dogs get the worse part of the deal.
by hunter k-9 on 19 September 2009 - 18:28
| Mystere: It was Donna Rednour with the paper work during the G litter time.|
Sorry I was thinking Debbie for some reason.
by DannyJ on 19 September 2009 - 18:38
|Yes Donna Rednour is the name...|
Honestly its a shame that all this happened but realisitcally I think its probably best to forget the piece of crap.
If he shows his face again in the dog world because of posts like these threads he will forever be known as piece of crap.
by DannyJ on 19 September 2009 - 18:39
Bob, I would love a pup from Axel, you should get his semen on ice
by Bob McKown on 19 September 2009 - 19:01
|I,ve tried but he gets REALLY MAD when i tie that 7 pound bag of ice to his boys ...he gets down right pissy...|
by kamgsd on 19 September 2009 - 20:33
|LOL! I needed that Bob. Thanks|
by Mystere on 19 September 2009 - 22:50
|Danny, ¶Is that not what Vesna, Caroline and I told you years ago? Schutzhund is a small community and you CANNOT screw over someone on a dog deal in secret. It will always come out and you then must work for years with SCRUPULOUSLY CLEAN ETHICS to overcome even one shady deal. Helser was looking for a stupid short-cut and got lost in the tangle. ¶making good on some of those other deals and publicly acknowledging wrong-doing and apologizing would go sooooo much further than this highly suspect move.|
by VomMarischal on 19 September 2009 - 22:58
|Does anybody have photos of Lorenzo or Tim?|
by 1doggie2 on 19 September 2009 - 23:23
|I would love to know the journey of these 2 dogs. I can only hope that people with the information can respond or a few on the board here can dig it out.|
by VWang on 20 September 2009 - 00:26
|I belive it was a kennel named z Bednar who importet Amanda. They are not breeding any longer.|
The short black dude holding the dog is Lorenzo
Tim Helsers MySpace link has a picture of him
by EuroShepherd on 20 September 2009 - 02:20
|I'm a chronic craigslist shopper and I live in the Columbus area of Ohio. I always check to see what GSDs people are trying to find new homes for. I never saw any ad that seems to be related in anyway to the dogs that Helser claims he rescued. Just another con. |
I met Amanda 4 or 5 yrs ago when Lorenzo had her, I thought she was a very nice dog who reminded me of my first GSD. I'm sickened to know that this is how her life was ended. poor dear.
by ltsgsd on 20 September 2009 - 05:17
|Has anyone tried to call the supposed vet? I pulled the number from the scanned copy of the "bill" It is in Ohio if anyone from there can call Acct # 903 Brookville Animal Hospital Ph 937-833-2740.|
by AIR on 20 September 2009 - 05:23
|Do you really think they will just hand out information to anyone who calls?|
by mobjack on 20 September 2009 - 10:34
|A simple solution would be to just contact Eurosport and ask them. The vet might not give out that info.|