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by Brittany on 10 August 2005 - 02:08

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Does anybody have any information regarding to Pseudomonas aeruginosa? I know what it is, which is a hard and very difficult Bacteria to get rid of because the Bacteria is resistant to almost all of the antibiotic medication that's out there. Zambi has this in her right ear... the vet told me that in some cases HUMANS had actually died from having this Bacteria infection. Right now were trying to treat it with bytril ( both oral and the ear drops) and have an anti filamentary medication. Has anybody had this kind of problem before? if so what medication did you try and was it successful?

by Blitzen on 10 August 2005 - 02:08

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Did you vet do a culture and sensitivity, Brittany? If so, the sensitivity will show which antibiotics to use. If not, maybe he or she should do that?

by odinfan on 10 August 2005 - 03:08

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Hi, I read your post and recognized P. aeruginosa from microbiology lab. I got my old micro text out and found the following information . . . Basically it is a very common organism, found in soil, fridges, hospitals, etc. It’s a very hardy bug, as it can live in pretty much anything with a carbon source, this even includes some antiseptics. Resistance is a major problem. My text states, “The fluoroquinolones and the newer, antipseudomonal beta-lactam antibiotics are the usual drugs of choice. Silver sulfadiazine is very useful in the treatment of burn infections . . .” Keep in mind this is in relation to humans. Additionally, the text states, “except for superficial skin infections and otitis externa, infection by P. aeruginosa is rare in healthy people.” However, it does cause a lot of secondary infections in people with compromised immune systems (approx. 32% of nosocomial infections). Here is a link for some additional info. on antibiotics, etc. in relation to dogs. http://www.gbvma.com/managing_otitis_externa_and_medi.htm Haven’t ever had this with my dogs, but I hope this helps and that your girl gets feeling better soon.

by DKiah on 10 August 2005 - 05:08

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Actually found it in a vaginal C&S done on my 7 yr old retired SchH3 girl who was spayed a year ago. She had an infection after the spay which we cleared up and now the male is acting like she is in heat and she is doing a lot of cleaning.... Was on Orbax for 2 weeks and now I see symptoms reappearing.. will be repeating the C&S again tomorrow.... may be in for another round of abs.... and who knows what else...

by crhuerta on 10 August 2005 - 07:08

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What are the symptoms of this infection?

by odinfan on 10 August 2005 - 13:08

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Basically, any time you are disrupting the normal flora, or the host has a weakened immune system, this organism can flourish and become pathogenic. So, since this is an opportunistic pathogen, symptoms can vary, e.g. swimmer's rash, swimmer's ear, skin infections, ear infections, respiratory infections, etc. In some infections a "blue-green pus, whose color is caused by the bacterial pigment pyocyanin" may be visible." (Microbiology 2001) Hope this helps.

by vomveiderheiss on 10 August 2005 - 19:08

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I had a female with this a couple years back, I called the vet this morning and asked him what we treated with. We used Medicam and Baycol, both injectible, hope I spelled right. We treated heavily daily for almost 3 weeks before if finally submissed and went away, she never got it back. I did have to wash her ear twice daily and apply otimax too. Hope this helps.

by Brittany on 11 August 2005 - 00:08

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vomveiderheiss, I'm treating Zambi with 2 medications 1. Baytril (Both drops and pills) and 2. prednisone (tabs) I think you meant to say baytril.... not Baycol... Baycol.. according to what I had searched up is a dangerous cholesterol lowering drug which you can read at http://www.mercola.com/2001/aug/18/baycol.htm I'm going to be giving theses medications a try and hopefully it will get rid of this stuffs! I don't want to go to option 2! which is surgery! that's the last thing in my mind.

by Zeaker on 02 March 2009 - 21:03

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My eight year old male currently has this but his symptoms are repertory related. (Thick mucus from the nose and coughing) My vet has prescribed Zinoquinn tabs which he has been on for 28 days with little results. He recently prescribed both Zinoquinn tabs for 28 additional days as well as Amikacin Sulfate inject able for 20 days. We've been on this regime for 10 days now with little improvement. I'm looking for any suggestions, thanks.

by july9000 on 02 March 2009 - 22:03

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My 11 years old bitch lost her battle with Pseudomonas aeruginosa..It started with a vaginal infection that we try to cure with different antibiotics and nothing worked.  She had it for 2 years before it developped into vasculitis and then she just bled to death. (She was on general anesthesia cause we tought her spleen had rupture but she was bleeding from everywhere..) I still cry thinking about her and the whole thing..I just coudn't beleive such a stong dog could die from such a little bacteria..

This is a very serious bacteria..they say if you want to treat it you have to be agressive...
DON'T EVER GIVE ANY IMMUNO SUPRESSING DRUG SUCH AS CORTISONE..THIS COULD LEAD TO SEPTIS AND DEAD..

I NEVER WANT TO ENCOUNTER THIS THING AGAIN...MORE AFRAID OF THAT THEN CANCER!

by Sherman-RanchGSD on 02 March 2009 - 23:03

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Well there are bacteria and virus and molds all over...the healthy body usually could care less.

Sometimes  various and unknow cause particular bodiesto  succomb.  Pseudomonas infections occur in individuals who have a particular susceptibility to this bacterium ..something in their immune system makes them a target :(  P. aeruginosa is a rod-shaped organism that can be found in soil, water, plants, and animals. Because it rarely causes disease in healthy  but infects those who are already sick or who have weakened immune systems, it is called an opportunistic pathogen. Opportunistic pathogens are organisms that do not ordinarily cause disease, but multiply freely in persons whose immune systems are weakened by illness or medication....:(

Many anitibiotics whipe out EVERYthing... this in a sense can supress your immune system leaving it host to other predators :( steroids and other drugs also in some patience can do that :(

I am sorry to hear about your old girl.

For the new poster...its always good to ask, get advice, get a second opinion or third if you need to. Learning from others mistakes or problem is one of the positive things about the new age/internet.. we have MUCH more info accessable to us and dont have to rely on one doctors take.

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by hodie on 03 March 2009 - 01:03

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"we have MUCH more info accessable to us and dont have to rely on one doctors take"

Yes, and sadly, too many people who look at information on the internet have no clue what they are talking about or do not have enough background to really understand the information even when it is valid.

by Pharaoh on 03 March 2009 - 02:03

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Gentian Violet is good on these weird resistant things.  You can buy it at some drugstores in a 1% or 2% solution.

Also, it is a major ingredient  in a very good ear cleaner.  K9 Liquid Health Ear Solution.   It is really good stuff and would be an addition to what you are doing.

Ark Naturals has an ear cleaner with a major dose of Cinnamon.  As we are running into resistant strains, it is time to bring out the old classics.

Good Luck,

Michele

by hodie on 03 March 2009 - 14:03

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One does not know what they are "running into" without a culture done. 
Antibiotics don't wipe out your immune system. They kill, by a variety of methods, specific kinds of bacteria.
Patient = is someone or some animal being treated
Patience = is what one must have to read this forum

by Pharaoh on 03 March 2009 - 18:03

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No, antiboitics do not "wipe out" your immune syste.  However, they can "wipe out" beneficial bacteria in your system thus allowing the not so beneficial to increase rapidly when the beneficials are no longer around to keep them in check.  Yeast can overgrow to where it becomes a problem.

Yes, we sometimes need to wipe out bacteria that make us and our dogs sick. There are almost always side effects.

There is no free lunch - there is only risk vs benefit analysis. That's what a good doctor or vet can do for you is to make that analysis.

Many doctors will tell you to take yoghurt or pro-biotics to replace the good guys that we need in our gut.

Michele

by Renofan2 on 09 March 2009 - 21:03

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I ran into a pseudomonas infection in Reno's ears back in 2001 when she was 8 years old.  She had horrible ear infections since she was 6 months old and was always on some type of antibiotic.  This was a nasty and difficult infection to get rid of.  The vet ended up operating.  I have to dig thru my records to find out what antibiotic the vet prescribed that finally worked.  I remember she was on it for about a month and the cost was very expensive. 

Zeakar - sorry about your dog.  You mention  thick mucas from the nose.  Reno began with thick mucas from the nose and then once the pseudomonas was gone, she started with severe nose bleeds.  She was also 8 at the time.  She had a laprascope done of her sinuses a few months later and diagnosis was a sinus tumor, however she lived 6 years after diagnosis passing away just 2 months shy of her 14th birthday.  The vet did not biopsy the tumor, so I suspect his diagnosis was not correct and always wondered if it was something linked to her Pseudomonas infection.  Weird thing is once the nose bleeds started she never again had any further problems with her ears.  The nose bleeds got worse and would happen almost every day, until about a year before she died.  Vet never had an answer other than telling me she was a miracle dog.

I wish you luck with your dog and hope that he is better soon.  Please let us know how he is doing.

Cheryl

by Sam1427 on 10 March 2009 - 03:03

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I have always found the Merck Veterinary Manual to be an invaluable source of veterinary information. 
http://www.merckvetmanual.com 

It is fairly technical at times, but understandable to the layman. There is a search function, or you can look at topics under physical systems like "Eye and Ear".

Zeaker, has your vet done a culture to identify the culprit bacteria? If not, one should be done. If your vet doesn't have the facilities, there are labs to send cultures off to and he should know about them. Otherwise the antibiotic is just a shot in the dark - specific antibiotics work on specific bacteria. Consider asking your vet for a referral to a specialist if your dog is no better.

by Zeaker on 11 March 2009 - 00:03

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A culture was done. That's the reason both the Zinoquinn and Amikacin Sulfate were chosen. He's taking the injections pretty well, the last two will be March 11th and 12th. Keeping our fingers crossed.

by Lestat on 12 March 2009 - 07:03

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I had a 11 year old shepherd which got this type of infection. All injectable and oral antibiotics failed to make the slightest change to the ear. Finally my vet came up with an idea that was cheap and very effective. He gave me a bottle of epi-otic earwash and this was spiked with the injectable antibiotic that the pseudoonas was susceptable to. I think ours was dibekacin or kanamycin. Not sure now. I can not remember what the amount was he added but your vet should be able to help with that. I must say that within 3 days the ear was clean. We used this was for 10 days 2 times daily. It never cam back again! Hope this helps as it is a really difficult infection to get rid of!

Dibekacin shows the most potency on all strains of psuedo. My suggestion would be to change to that. What you must remember is that psuedo takes hold of in systems that are low in resistance. She may have had some other under-lying infection that you may not have noticed. While she is on the antibiotics I would feed her a lot of yoghurt and also get he onto a top quality vitamin supplement

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