German Shepherd Dog > sable German shepherds. (73 replies)

by gsdtwo on 19 April 2012 - 17:04

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i think sable gsds look more like belgian shepherds and have drifted away from the traditional look of the gsd. These days there are soo many variations in the breed that it has become dificult to recognise a pure bred gsd just by looking at it. To make sure it is pure we have to look at its ancestry. what are your thoughts? are'nt these variations ruining the breed? sable,liver,plush,long haired,short coat with a plush,roached,working,big bone e.t.c.

by GSDguy08 on 19 April 2012 - 17:04

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You're kidding, right?  Sable  German Shepherds look more like Belgian Shepherds?  Have you not looked at the "founding" dogs of the breed.  There were  black sables, sables, black, and I even remember seeing a bi color back in the early 1900s.     

by gsdtwo on 19 April 2012 - 17:04

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the point is that the traditional look of the gsd is being ignored(the black and tan straight back well propotioned look).

by GSDguy08 on 19 April 2012 - 17:04

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So, every dog that founded the breed was black and tan? Someone needs to go back and look at the old pedigrees again.  I'm not arguing about the back being straight or not being straight.....my point is that there "were" sables, black sables, etc that helped found the breed.  My black sable puppy has a very straight back even when stacked. 

by magdalenasins on 19 April 2012 - 17:04

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You're ruining the breed GSDGuy. Everyone go out and buy a black and tan! Support your backyard breeder also.

by GSDNewbie on 19 April 2012 - 17:04

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I cannot agree to this. There is NO way my sable looks like a Belgian shepherd!
How is this dog straying from what a gsd is?

by DDRCzechFan on 19 April 2012 - 17:04

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Whoa whoa whoa, those are FIGHTIN' words, pal!

I whole heartedly agree with GSDGuy08, look at your precious showline's ancestors, the FOUNDING dogs WERE sables...HELLO?!

Tell ya what, YOU can keep your over angulated, ass on the ground hock walking black and tans, and I'll keep my straight backed, ready to work, STRUCTRUALLY SOUND GSD's, deal?



***EDITED TO ADD: Not ALL showlines are overangulated, hock walkers, nor all all Sables straight backed, ready to work or structurally sound, the point I was trying to make was this, a dog's color has NOTHING to do with working ability, and as was probably obvious by both GSDGuy08 and myself, there are a few who PREFER the sables****

by magdalenasins on 19 April 2012 - 17:04

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I want a big boned liver shepherd, I don't like the bird boned ones though I hear they can fly if they have plush coats.

Some nice ugly dogs there!

by Q Man on 19 April 2012 - 17:04

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Can you say "Rin Tin Tin"...This is where the concept of the Black & Tan (Saddle Backs) came into focus and this is still what a lot of people think the German Shepherd should look like...
All the Colors that you mentioned are ones that have always been there...The Livers aren't good for the breed...I believe they have other genetic faults that go along with them...
Coated German Shepherds have always been there too...It's just that most breeders wouldn't advertise them because they weren't really accepted by AKC...But they've always been there...It's part of the breed...
Actually I've been told by some old Germans that have been around the breed for a very long time that the Sable GSD is actually the basis of the German Shepherd...So it might be that the other colors are actually out of the Sables not the other way around...

~Bob~

by Conspicuous on 19 April 2012 - 17:04

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DOH!

by gsdtwo on 19 April 2012 - 17:04

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WOW..im not saying black and tan should be the only colour i my self had a bi coloured...and an all black...i like sable gsds but the point im making is that now a days the variations in the breed are too much. you look at a dalmatian you say oh it's a dalmatian, you look at a labrador oh its a larador, you look at a sable gsd oh is it a wolf hybrid,you look at a roached back gsd oh is this dog born with an abnormality....im not againt sable gsds its just an EXAMPLE. Why did they change the breeds name to american white shepherd rather then a white gsd?

by duke1965 on 19 April 2012 - 17:04

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Bob , the original Rin TinTin  was a sable

this is something the germans are good in , I would call it PROPAGANDA , the clubs allways promote pictures of showlinedogs, ther was a full page article in the biggest dutch newspaper about a K9 unit at amsterdam airport where they only have sable shepherds and malinois , and the article showed pictures of showline shepherds , talking about misleading the people


by magdalenasins on 19 April 2012 - 18:04

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gsdtwo that makes more sense. I think there was a thread a couple months ago (and before and before and before) about combinging showlines and working lines into one dog again. Not likely to happen.

by melba on 19 April 2012 - 18:04

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When I look at a motorcycle, I could say the same thing.... It's a blue one, or red one etc... Not it's a Harley, Honda, Suzuki etc...
Does that mean there are too many different types out there? No! It means that everyone doesn't know everything about everything!

I personally LOVE sables. I'm not offended when Joe Public doesn't know what they are... I do my best to educate whenever possible.
That's how we learn folks! It's irritating when Job Public tells me I don't know what I'm talking about, but you can't educate those who
wish to remain in the dark or believe they already know everything. I've had just as many people ask me what my black and bi-color
GSDs are mixed with, or ask what breed they are as I have had ask me about my sables.

.02

Off my soap box now!
Melissa

by GSDguy08 on 19 April 2012 - 18:04

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melba, but when someone comes along saying "sables" are ruining the breed?  When many of the "founding dogs" were sables......

by melba on 19 April 2012 - 18:04

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Sables are not ruining the breed. Corupt organizations only in it for the money and not the heath and temperament of the breed are ruining the breed.
Bought titles, putting up dogs from big name kennels, registering anything with 4 legs, a tail, and a heartbeat (heartbeat optional) is ruining the breed,
not the color of the dog.

:)

Melissa

by gsdtwo on 19 April 2012 - 18:04

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gsdguy08 WHEN DID I SAY SABLE GSDS ARE RUINING THE BREED! melissa another point of looking at it is that suzuki,honda and harley are breeds rather then types of the same breed.  I LIKE SABLE GSDS. another argument can be is that while many coat colours were used to FIND\CREATE the breed they were not THE BREED.

by gsdtwo on 19 April 2012 - 18:04

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why is the white gsd now considerd as white american shepherd.

by gsdtwo on 19 April 2012 - 18:04

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all this being said, i am not a gsd expert.lol

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