Main > KNPV Dogs in the United States (38 replies)

by KTaylor on 17 January 2008 - 15:01

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I was looking to see if there are any kennels in the US that have strong KNPV lined dogs.  Every once in a while I find a dog that has a PH1 or 2 somewhere back a few generations.

I am training 2 GSDs with a Schutzhund club right now, but previously trained Malinois for PSA.  I am looking for a German Shepherd to train for PSA now.  I plan to do Sch with my male shepherd and then try him in PSA afterwards.  I am leery about putting him on a suit before he has perfected the sleeve. 

PSA doesnt require the precision that Sch does, but it does require a more serious dog that is able to take more pressure.  I feel that a great place to start looking for that is within KNPV titled dogs.

Any help  our links would be appreciated. 

Kyle

by Don Corleone on 17 January 2008 - 17:01

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kYLE

 I read the other thread and you said you trained with Mike D.  Why not get a dog from him?

by KTaylor on 17 January 2008 - 17:01

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Hey Don, thanks for the response.  Mike breeds pups, but they are mostly out of Sch dogs.  He has a litter coming up this spring that should be really nice.  It is a repeat out of his Eick and Daja.  I will certainly look at them as I have seen a couple pups out of the last breeding that were very impressive. 

All of the dogs that he has for sale are older.  I would like a puppy and back to my original post, I am really looking for strong KNPV breeding.  There just dont seem to be many people with the KNPV dogs in the US and I would like to see more of them.  Since I train more for PSA, I find KNPV dogs to be more suited to the work.

I would prefer a serious civil dog with good grips over a dog with flashy OB and crushing calm grips any day. 

Mike has great dogs and I could pay to import one from Holland if I wanted to spend $5,000 on a young adult, but I am really looking for a pup.

Kyle

by KTaylor on 17 January 2008 - 17:01

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Hey Don, thanks for the response.  Mike breeds pups, but they are mostly out of Sch dogs.  He has a litter coming up this spring that should be really nice.  It is a repeat out of his Eick and Daja.  I will certainly look at them as I have seen a couple pups out of the last breeding that were very impressive. 

All of the dogs that he has for sale are older.  I would like a puppy and back to my original post, I am really looking for strong KNPV breeding.  There just dont seem to be many people with the KNPV dogs in the US and I would like to see more of them.  Since I train more for PSA, I find KNPV dogs to be more suited to the work.

I would prefer a serious civil dog with good grips over a dog with flashy OB and crushing calm grips any day. 

Mike has great dogs and I could pay to import one from Holland if I wanted to spend $5,000 on a young adult, but I am really looking for a pup.

Kyle

by ZVZW on 17 January 2008 - 17:01

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Hello Kyle,

Although I have not really looked at this mans program in about 4 years now,he usd to have som really super nice dogs ffrom KNPV lines. Is "Jutta" still training with you all? If so,hope she is well,but you might ask him. He knows the lines even though is in Hawaii..

http://www.vomyounghaus.com

 

Jerry

 

 

by Don Corleone on 17 January 2008 - 18:01

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Kyle

The reason you don't see the lines here often, is because it is not prevalant in the US.  It's kinda like asking sears where the swimsuit aisle is in the North Pole. 

I wouldn't get so focused on finding dogs with KNPV, but rather on finding the right dogs themselves.    The description you are looking for sounds like what Mike's Eick is producing. 

How about looking towards a Tiekerhook line dog?  Not neccessarily straight from Koos, but a pup with some serious civil.

by KTaylor on 17 January 2008 - 19:01

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Hey Don,

My male is an Eick son.  He is a very nice dog but he is young, about 18 months, so it is really a little too early to evaluate him on being very civil.  Mike has worked him as well as some other guys in that club and he definetely got the Eick grips.  One of the main reasons I bought Ivan was because of Eicks civil reputation.

Dont get me wrong, I am 100% satisfied with the dog and he will excel in Schutzhund, but I was just looking to see if there were breeders doing anything with the KNPV dogs.

Another guy that I train with has a Max son and he is very nice.  Young dog but but you can already see that he will be a little more civil.  I have seen a couple of Max litters and they all seem to be high drive and fairly dominant dogs. 

So I will continue to watch for Max pups for sale as well as a few other littlers that I have been watching.

Kyle

by Don Corleone on 17 January 2008 - 19:01

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Kyle

What female is your Eick son out of?

by KTaylor on 17 January 2008 - 20:01

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He is out of Perry Lasmon.  Real nice dog, looks just like Eick.

by Ceph on 17 January 2008 - 21:01

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Are you looking solely for GSDs or are you considering other breeds?

There is a guy near me that has a male who was the top KNPV producer a couple of years ago - he's the only dog to have sired an entire litter that titled in KNPV...he's a Dutchie though.

~Cate

by KYLE on 17 January 2008 - 22:01

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Hey Kyle,  Check out this breeder,  http://www.van-brandevoort.tk/   , super nice dogs with video.  But you and a lot of other people are missing something.  There is the Sport of Schutzhund and there is the Methodology of Schutzhund training.  All dog sports come from schutzhund.  The palisade in in ring sport is from schutzhund.  The methodology of schutzhund is always evaluating your dog and introducing new stimuli.  You can put a dog on a bitesuit and not lose your discipline for schutzhund.  Cross training breaks up the routine of schutzhund and the boardom that the dog may slip into. 

Most KNPV dogs come from Schutzhund dogs. Igor vom Herdgang has produced both.  good luck with your search. Let us know how you make out.

Kyle (my real name)

by GregN on 18 January 2008 - 01:01

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Kyle,

 

try       http://www.k9gardefense.com/german.html

 

If I'm not mistaken, some of their dogs are in the USA as patrol dogs

by urry on 18 January 2008 - 01:01

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Hi kyle Mark here Gardefense has some real nice KNPV line dogs i currently own a 13 month old now she was bred in belgium and whelped in the US i got her from a breeder in NY if you would be interested PM me and mabe i can give you his number good luck my females father is gideon gardefense

by rus on 19 January 2008 - 00:01

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Hello KTaylor,

I live in Russia and for a long time I`ve been looking for a dog that would be able to fight not the sleeve but the man behind the sleeve. I think I`ve found what I`ve been looking for. It`s Erko von der Zahnburg:

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/516739.html

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/388368.html

The first day the little guy came to his new home in Moscow at the age of 6 months he "killed" my old sofa (after the flight from the USA through Germany to Russia!!!) and started growling at me when I tried to save at least something.

When in a couple of days one of the best Russian decoys came to have a look at Erko and tried to agitate Erko with a cloth, this little warrior was much more interested in the man`s body (at the age of 6 months!). After a short attack they were both sitting motionless looking into each other`s eyes for a minute or two...

Erko`s two siblings are now training with Armin Winkler. http://www.schutzhundvillage.com/index.html

And you can ask Art Show, the breeder, about the others.

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeqbomo/zahnburg/id5.html

Good luck anyway!

Olga

 

 

by rus on 19 January 2008 - 03:01

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KTaylor, sorry, the breeder`s name is Art Shaw. (It`s 5 o`clock in the morning in Moscow and I`ve been translating Armin Winkler`s article for our trainers and didn`t sleep a wink yet.)  We`ve never met in person, but my impression after this  purchase is that Art is a breeder you can trust. First I got Erko`s  AKC Pedigree and Purchase Agreement and only after that the dog was shipped.

by KTaylor on 19 January 2008 - 04:01

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Thank you everyone for the great responses.  I have received some feedback and commentary and I just wanted to state that I understand that there are some Schutzhund dogs that are real, but I have also seen a few Sch 3 dogs that score well but wouldnt protect my wife or I should the need ever arise.  I just feel that I may find more of what I am looking for if I went with a pup with a strong pedigree of KNPV dogs.

I think Rus hit it right on the head when he said that he has finally found what he was looking for in his new pup.  "a dog that would be able to fight not the sleeve but the man behind the sleeve"

Cate- at this time, I am just considering GSDs.  I have had 2 mals that I placed with PDs and now co-own a mal with another of my club members (stays in his kennel).  I like the drives and the aggression with the mals that I have had, but they are certainly more difficult to live with than the shepherds.

Kyle

 

by Doug Wendling on 19 January 2008 - 05:01

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Kyle

  You have not located the correct people then that can help you get what you want in your new dog?

You can shoot me an email RottonRott@aol.com  if you want to make contact outside of these forums, with some one that can help you out.

 

Doug

by dawgma on 20 January 2008 - 00:01

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German Shepherds don't do well in KNPV, Mals/ Mal crosses and Dutch crosses rule that arena.

Even the PH1 German Shepherds that are there are mostly flukes with almost all including and past the second generation being Sch or IPO titled.

Check it out      http://www.bloedlijnen.nl/

If you want a hunting dog, get a lab.  If you want a KNPV lined dog, get what is proven and works.

 

by Haus Simpkins on 20 January 2008 - 01:01

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there is a guy Joe Knapp in new york that has a lot of knpv titled dogs in his pedigrees

Real hard dogs but level headed

Steve Simpkins

www.haussimpkins.com

www.protectivepaws.com

516-315-2500

by urry on 20 January 2008 - 02:01

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Yeah Joe Knapp could help you find what your looking for thats where i got my female hes a super good breeder.


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