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opinion of the board members by elizabeth on 11 September 2004 - 04:44 |
| I would like to ask the other board members on this messageboard to take a moment and review a few posts and give feedback. Please go and read the post "silly comments". Please give me feedback about your take.Are you tired of the constant threat of legal action to try to stifle your expression on this open forum? Are you tired the vulgarity that some members use toward other members? Why are members like the greek allowed? The few posts from this person were totally vulgar and had no mention of credibility relating to the achievements of the person making the attacks. Who the hell would want to come to this board to learn about GSDs witnessing this kind of behavior? Second, a photographer calling herself "scum" because she found a legal way to live off your property. I think there is a current movie out about the paparazzi. In the name of copyrite, they use your property to promote their career. (Keep in mind that this is in no way meant to demean from the work of a professional photographer that the host club of any said event may contract to do the photography of the event). And then go to the post Help!Need help on a breeder in CT". Well I did read other posts and did my homework and did call the local dog wardens and did ask a lot of questions but when I tried to share the results, the CT members (newly signed on, the greek and then his openly acknowledged friend, Dawnmarie) tried to slam me. I do not roll over. The greek has no credibility and has no right to slam anyone. He hides behind a fake identity. He uses vulgarity to compensate for lack of any beneficial donation to this board or to the protection of the breed. I use my name but do not have a public email because I use my computer from work and they have rules against that. I joined this board to find information about the sport and the GSD. I cannot believe that censorship is the perfect answer (reading post from other boards) but I really have to wonder about going to the far left (as this board offers) as an alternative. I invite other member opinions and hope that Oli can find a happy medium. |
by jbbrbx on 11 September 2004 - 04:48 |
| I just posted my opinion on the whole thing, I have copied it below. {This board used to be informative and a wonderful place to find answers to questions as the knowledge base is tremendous. The members were curtious and very willing to help the newbie learn about this outstanding breed. Right now you have to go back a long way to find an intelligent post that is not rude, name calling, threatening, or defensive. WOW, inpress me. This board has so much to offer with a database of info that is unparalleled anywhere else. It is being ruined by posts that have nothing to do with the dog. I used to be here daily enjoying the amount of information and intelligence exhibited by the members but not anymore. It has been taken over by newbies who have something to prove, that they are IDIOTS. The GSD possesses the fight drive exhibited here on this board but it also exhibits the intelligence to know when not to. Obviously a few humans need to take notice.} Jan ;-) |
jbbrbx by elizabeth on 11 September 2004 - 05:16 |
| Thank you Jan, for the courage to post an opinion. If these loosers attack your intigrity tomorrow, I will truly support you. |
by Mykee on 11 September 2004 - 06:33 |
| Let's See...... You joined here elizabeth Joined 12-AUG-04 According to the database you are pretty new here too and YOU seem to be quite a shit disturber yourself. I say watch that color of your kettle there missy! Mike |
by Petros on 11 September 2004 - 11:33 |
| I am also new to this board as a member but I have been watching what is happening here for more thatn a year. I think the whole thing has to do with most of the members being dog profesionals. Threats, swear words, etc, do not come from normally thinking people and hobbyists but from those who feel threatened and in a panic situation (ie those who expect to live on dogs). I do not think if something can be done at this point. I mean, certainly somenting can be done but will it ever happen? If there is even 1 and only person who does not respect this it will never happen. This database will end up as a swear words cyber space among the low level and so called "proffesionals" with the rest of us watching at fisrt and after a short time unsubscribing from the database. SO, I SUGGEST THIS TO ALL: ACCEPT PEOPLE AS THEY ARE AND TRY TO GET THE VERY BEST OUT OF EACH ONE OF THEM (whether this is knowledge, hints & tips, help, or support). |
Petros by Dog1 on 11 September 2004 - 17:10 |
| Part of the problem is not everyone knows the level of experience that all the posters have. Comments that are very opinionated from the less experienced can have permanent impact on peoples reputations whether they deserve it or not. This is the problem. Many of the situations commented on are pretty much normal when you hear the other side and no one was really as good or as bad as the post started out. There's a lot of BS posted about BS. Please lets be as considerate and responsible as possible when posting. It may help to include facts and details about your experience that cause you to form the opinion you have. This may help others understand better and offer advice or constructive criticism without discussions getting personal. |
Dog1 by Sarek on 11 September 2004 - 17:45 |
| Petros, Dog1...Though I just recently registered (again--lost my logon/password), I have been frequenting this database for well over a year and agree with what both of you have said. Great posts! |
by Amaras on 11 September 2004 - 18:38 |
| Well put Dog1!!!!! Everyone needs to stop the BS, and get back to basics...Stop all the criticisms without proper explanations. And yes, reputations can be damaged and profits lost. Face it people,the show and working GSD breeders have a serious business...And that's not to say they don't love the breed, heck don't we all??? Love the GSD? I agree with Petros & Dog1..... |
by elizabeth on 11 September 2004 - 20:18 |
| Thank you all for your civil and well put posts. It is comforting to see intelligence. Mykee, I read some of your past comments on here and see you use to be quite vocal. I like the more recent you and thank you for the humorous note. There has been a lot of BS out there, now lets wait and see when the truth comes out (and who will dare to discuss it). Until then have fun with your dogs. |
by Dawn G. Bonome on 11 September 2004 - 20:30 |
| If it was not for the German Shepherd Dog, none of us would be on this board. It's NOT about US, but the dogs'! When people start putting themselves first, and forget what got them there to begin with(THE DOGS'), then there should be alot of soul searching on everyones' part. The rudeness and hurtfulness must stop. Thank-you, Dawn Bonome |
by elizabeth on 11 September 2004 - 21:31 |
| Thank you Dawn, very well put. And thank you Michael. |
by Kerry on 11 September 2004 - 22:08 |
| This is a cyclical thing. Happens over and over. As Dog1 most eloquently stated, "There's a lot of BS posted about BS." No truer words have ever been written. Summer is a slow time, as many folks are taking advantage of the weather to do things with their families and dogs. When the weather turns cold, people spend more time researching information. Of late, I don't find much that I'm interested in enough to comment on, but I hope that'll change. |
by elizabeth on 11 September 2004 - 23:33 |
| Thank you all for having the courage to post. I'm sure that change is coming and this will again be an informative place to learn and share. Enjoy your dogs. [Jim and Dave, I told you so, now I do believe you owe me some money!!!] |
by Michael10 on 12 September 2004 - 00:51 |
| Elizabeth you were very fast to voice an opinion and attack me because of what someone wrote without ever taking time to find out whether it was true or not. Unfortunatley the Greek did not express himself with the same eloquence that you used to attack my character. However his attacks on you without knowing you or your character are No different or spiteful than your attacks on me. This site and Forum was created to bring people together and Celebrate the German Shepherd Dog and it's Heritage not for us to slander one another. I do not know you but i do know the Greek and he is a Wonderful person that was very upset by your comments about me. I feel that if you want him censored then you should also be censored for your negative and equally harmful comments. As the Old saying goes What is Good for the Goose is Good for the Gander. As i said this site was created to bring people that love the German Shepherd Dog together not for people to be attacking and spreading rumors about each other. Respectfully Michael |
by Dawnmarie on 12 September 2004 - 06:07 |
| Wow i feel like i am on the Twilight Zone, i thought i posted my response under this thread, but found it here http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/bulletins_read/14075.html#14677 please refer to above link for my courageous post, i dont want to repost it as its long enough lol Regards, Dawnmarie |
by the greek on 12 September 2004 - 07:08 |
| TO ALL, I MUST APPOLIGIZE FOR USING THIS WONDERFUL FORUM,AS A STOMPING GROUND. I TO LOVE THE GSD, AND MOST OF THE PEOPLE OR FRIENDS I'VE MADE.I DON'T REALLY LIKE GETTING INVOLVED WITH PEOPLE LIKE LIZ.BUT WHEN YOU SEE ALL THE ATTACKS THIS WOMEN IS ALLOWED TO DO ON THIS SITE.IT MAKES ME CRAZY. AND WHY NOBODY ELSE HASN'T COME FORWARD, AND SAID ANYTHING TO HER BEFORE ME IS UNBELIEVABLE.SHE HAS NOYHING BETTER TO DO THEN BASH PEOPLE HERE.I'LL GIVE YOU ALL AN EXCAMPLE.THESE ARE HER OWN WORDS TO OTHERS ON THIS SITE.(JUDGE FOR YOUR SELVES. |
by the greek on 12 September 2004 - 07:30 |
| Sorry VKH, but the person advertising Yarko is not someone that I would do business with. I have heard very negative things about him. The only places that I heard he shows his dogs are at the local shows in CT. I stumbled across an advertisement for his "kennel" in a search and quickily dismissed any interest after asking some CT natives about him. ----------------------------------------------------- THIS IS ONE SLAM! HERE SHE SAYS THE MAGIC WORDS (I have heard )NOT KNOWING THE TRUTH HER SELF.JUST JUDGING ON HEARSAY. slam # 2-Sue, first, your spelling is atrocious,whether it be intentional or just an indication of your lack of education. You also seem to be implying a foreign disadvantage to the English language which would suprise me why someone from outside of the US would be looking to purchase from these kennels. I guess I don't understand how you can truly research a kennel if you can not correctly spell their name. So that would be first and foremost. I see that you recently became a member and are going right to the jugular ----------------------------------------------------- HERE SHE'S ATTACKING THIS WOMAN FOR SPELLING MISTAKES. WHY I MAKE SPELLING MISSTAKES TWO. IS THAT A REASON TO BASH THIS POUR WOMAN, WHO SAID SHE IS NEW TO OUR SITE.BUT NOW I THINK SHE WON'T DARE COME BACK.AFTER BEING MADE TO LOOK LIKE SUCH A FOOL. BY LIZ. (THANKS LIZ) -- ---------------------------------------------------- |
by Michele O on 12 September 2004 - 15:22 |
| While I don't post often due to lack of time, I do look in now and then and find a little more taste could be used. This IS an international site, and many posters are from North America...I do not see too many European posters bickering.....which makes us ALL look childish! I suggest, to keep the posts informative, and take major disputes privately. It would be a shame to loose this informative site, due to strife, when many good breeders can share experiences and and knowledge to help us breed a correct German Shepherd Dog. Also many newbies and GSD owners come here to learn, not to listen to private disputes...opions should be voiced but perhaps a bit more diplomatically? No tarring and feathering please:) Michele |
by Blitzen on 12 September 2004 - 15:35 |
| Dawgies, dudes......enough already. Take it private PLEASE. Thanks!! |
Blitzen by elizabeth on 13 September 2004 - 06:49 |
| Greek, (MM'S) I think that people are far more intelligent that you think. I don't believe that I have said anything that others don't already know, but crusify me, I said it out loud. Okay guys lets rumble. [Sorry VKH, but the person advertising Yarko is not someone that I would do business with. I have heard very negative things about him. The only places that I heard he shows his dogs are at the local shows in CT. I stumbled across an advertisement for his "kennel" in a search and quickily dismissed any interest after asking some CT natives about him.] It was okay when you all bashed Lebenshunger on "hearsay". How many of you actually have delt with them? I heeded past post about questionable kennels and called local K-9 control officers and local rescues and asked about this breeder (that is where I came up with my statement). I am in the process of asking their permission and "names" of examples of the dogs from his sales that this breeder declined to help relocate.With permission I will share the names( they will include litters of puppies he brings over from Germany ie Ritzerower Land, and puppies he actually bred from Parchimer Land etc). Second, please help me find out if the choice of breeding location was the owner of the female or the owner of the male. I do believe the there is no 'structured' location for this breeder so the local park / tennis court might have been his stomping ground. Does MC have an actual Kennel location? He may very well be tying to learn and develop but at what cost to people buying puppies if he is not established? THIS IS ONE SLAM! HERE SHE SAYS THE MAGIC WORDS (I have heard )NOT KNOWING THE TRUTH HER SELF.JUST JUDGING ON HEARSAY. Should we all get burned by a breeder to be able to post a fact? okay, then proof in fact, Why hasn't anyone posted about Lebenshunger? Did anyone actually post facutal contractual proof before they spoke? What have you based any of your opinions on? You do not know me, you know nothing of my experierence but you are in a definite "defense" mode. You believe that I am a woman and You have said that I have no experience. You are attacking me. You don't even know if your facts are credible. So now you draw together in number, all your cronies Sue, (give me a break a fake newbie,or give me a private contact through a third party), Dawnmarie someone that would like me to believe that she has a lawyer that gives her total "copyrite" on anything she aims her camera at and you who shoot off at me for being a woman with a big mouth (and that really seems to upset you) because I may be telling the truth and you really can't seem to deal with "truth" ---------------------------------------------------- |
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