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SV allowing Long coats enter in conformation now?! by Brittany on 16 July 2004 - 18:03 |
| I've been looking at this one partciular website thats located in germany. The kennel is House- barrett kennels. According to what they are saying is that almost all of their dogs are V rated of which they are all consider Long coats on http://www.house-barrett.com/index1.htm How is this be when their not capable of getting a show rating? |
Brittany by merfelderbruch on 16 July 2004 - 18:25 |
| Brittany, there are a few clubs in Germany that solely breed longhaired (longstockhaired) German Shepherds. They are not affiliated with SV or VDH nor with FCI. A lot of those breeders get their stock from SV-breeders and then start on their own. They have their own shows but none of those ratings would ever be regocnized by SV. |
by bcgsdmom on 16 July 2004 - 22:46 |
| Brittany, if you read her web page, it says "one day in the year 1993 I read in a magazine about the "existence" of the LSVD (Long-hair German Shepherd Club Germany e.V.). I also read, that in the fall of 1993 they would hold a yearly show only for long-hair dogs..." That explains it. |
by Brittany on 17 July 2004 - 04:43 |
| merfelderbruch, Isn't the conformation ratings (VA, V,SG,ETC) copyrighted by FCI (SV)? Even know theirs some people thats out there that puts the titles on just so they can breed but if your caught cant you get in trouble? Also it's much more complicated when you add the same titles of which your not apart of SV and VDH. bcgsdmom, Oh so they do have a special conformation shows for Long coats? |
by D.H. on 17 July 2004 - 21:13 |
| The first part would have been a valid question, providing you had actually read the part in their website that states: "Then in 1984 a small group of people gathered together and founded a club by the name ofLSVD e.V.(Langstockhaarschäferhundeverein Deutschland e.V.) - long-hair shepherd club Deutschland. This club laid down very strict breeding regulations with the hope to be recognized by the VDH, SV and F.C.I. The petition was turned in 1991, but no recognition came from the VDH, **SV** and F.C.I." So - no SV recognition. Ergo, no SV shows. Basically all clubs that offer conformation shows have a rating system, and most follow the V, SG, G, A, etc ratings. In Europe at least. Individual clubs may have individual rules and ratings. VDH shows do not award VA, they stop at the V. There is no copyright on conformation titles because for one they represent words that are of regular use in the German language and as such cannot be copyrighted. You cannot copyright the word "word" for example. Furthermore a copyright protects "Intelectual property", such as scripts, theses, photos, lyrics, poems, etc. Single words such as Mercedes may become trademarks, but also under very specific conditions. Again you cannot trademark the word "word". Also, in Germany you cannot just state that a dog has a title so that you may breed it. The dog has to actually have it. Everything is recorded with the SV. If they have no record and you want to breed without fullfilling minimum breeding requirements your pups will not receive papers from the SV. Simple as that. In the US the only minimum requirements for breeding are min/max age and that the parents are AKC registered. The AKC does not even care about OFA or show ratings or anything else. Literally a world apart. Then you go off the deep end again, throwing unfounded gibberish out there. Who do you know, Brittany, who falsifies titles? I doubt very strongly that anyone who would do this will tell YOU about it. And everything else in that regard is just dumb rumors. And if someone does indeed practise this, then let that be their problem. Or report them. End of discussion. |
by maxislooking on 23 July 2004 - 02:23 |
| of course the SV should accept the Coated Shepherd, there is no real reason not to... |
by Andrew on 23 July 2004 - 19:49 |
| Now we have seen it all.....funk man is annoyed with someone else's posts. I guess Brittany is Super Funks Kryptonite. I have to admit that I do find some of your posts amusing; however you should be the last one to criticize anyone regarding the value of their posts. Oh...funky, why don't you share your true identity and list your web-site so everyone can get a little peek into your world? Now that I'm sure would be funny! GO GET FUNKY! |
by JanisNovak on 23 July 2004 - 20:25 |
| [[quote]of course the SV should accept the Coated Shepherd, there is no real reason not to [/quote]
Except for the little thing called the written standard.
Piffle. |
by D.H. on 23 July 2004 - 21:27 |
| Interesting website Britt. Gewitterstärke - not really a German word. More like enter the english version into an onlin translator and see what comes up. Animus - thats Latin. [the spiritual or rational principle of life in man]. "All of our dogs will be raised as Pups to Full size adults and will be trained as a HOT = Handler owner trained because it's better to actually know your dog and know their 'real temperament and working ability. We may often ship our dogs to train but to a very trusting person and will be rarely." So ALL these people out there that hire trainers, and that purchase dogs after the puppy stage, really don't know their dogs? All the thousands and thousands of people who are doing this, dogs that are being shown or trialed at National or World level? These people have no idea what their dogs are really like? Would you mind elaborating on this statement a little, Britt? |
by Brittany on 23 July 2004 - 21:49 |
| funk man, and all of you that likes to bash me every min that they can get. You guys are not being sucessful of demolishing my future dreams of wanting to become a dog breeder... wait you say DREAMS!?!? what I really meant to say is that I want to breed for a hobby and not breed FOR the money like Most of you breeders in here do. Don't come and harass my future kennel because you don't know nothing about me and my goals. Am I allowed to build a website without anybody harassing it? Geeze it's not even 50% done and you still nag onto it. Some of you guys need to get a life and go and train your dogs and quit nagging at the people who are really wanting to learn about the breed and conformations. Oh and Funk man... Im sorry to burst your bubbles but Jake is not for breeding. PS, please get another name because only a child would choose such nickname "funk man"... maybe use your REAL name. Also lets see your website so i can critque on your kennel and breeding also i better see some progeny because if your going to nag about my future kennel then you must have a heck of a better one... so lets see it babe! |
by Brittany on 23 July 2004 - 22:13 |
| Funk Man.... I almost forgot something... My Female is not for breeding yet... If she proves her self that shes breedworth then I will breed her ( this means TITLES AND show titles) Let me ask you something... Say if theirs a big kennel that everybody knows so much and is active in Conformations and all of the sudden you see on their website that they decided to breed to a female that has no titled (working and Show titled) and has no certied of Hip/elbows Xrays (OFA/HD ZW) What do you think about them now? Trust my buddy... Theirs people out ther thats doing worse things then I am. |
by ginabean on 23 July 2004 - 22:28 |
| where is the clue musk when we need it? |
by D.H. on 23 July 2004 - 22:43 |
| There are a lot of people on this board who have similar aspiration as you do, and even the most seasoned breeder will always learn more as time passes. It is an ongoing process. Maybe you should look at your "dreams" and try to formulate some realistic goals instead. It is ok to think big, but just to dream about it will never get you there. A goal requires research, planning, a determination to get there. You seem to have all of that, but the route you are taking is taking you off the track. Right now, you have your head in the clouds girl. You want to mingle with the big league, but you haven't even made it to the side lines yet. You have seen a few games on the telly, heard a few comments, and THINK you are ready to play, to mingle, to talk specifics. In terms of GSD, your posts make it clear that you know very little about structure, about training, or the SchH sport, about showing, about breeding, about raising pups, about lines, about SV rules. Yet you talk like you know it all, and as a result you constantly put your feet, both of them, in your mouth. That is what puts people off. What you have achieved though is a certain claim to fame - people do know your name ;O). The sad part is the reaction the mere mention of your name provokes. Usually a sigh, or a roll of the eyes, or some comments that cannot be repeated here, etc. Someone in your position would fare a lot better to just listen, take in what is being said, ask more if what has been said did not satisfy all questions, or new questions come up because of it, but thoroughly engage brain before actually asking, maybe review info again first, like the website that started this thread. Go rent a movie that was very popular when I was your age - the Karate Kid. Good example of what it means to be a mentor, and what it means to be a progeny (still your level), and what it means to be the one that puts everyone off. You end up getting cr*p beat out of you. I have the rare pleasure to having several fantastic people that are my mentors. They are a wealth of knowledge. Long term breeders of show lines, working lines, judges, helpers, top level competitors, you name it. When they speak, I listen. When I ask questions, I make sure they are relevant and will not make a fool of myself (unless we had a few too many ;o)). I have the highest respect for them, for what they have accomplished, for their knowledge, for their willingness to share that knowledge. I treat them accordingly and I am always welcome there. Brittany - the constant antagonism against you is a direct reflection of your own behaviour. You might want to ask yourself why so many people react so strongly to your comments? Can it really be that it is all of us? Or could there be just the slightest possibility that the reason for that lies with you? In Germany we have a joke. People that take the wrong on-ramp onto the Autobahn and end up driving in the wrong direction are called "ghost drivers". So this guy drives in his car and the radio annouces that on the stretch of Autobahn he is driving on has a ghost driver, and that people shoud watch out. He looks around him and says: "What, one? There are hundreds of them out there!" |
by ginabean on 23 July 2004 - 23:56 |
| A very thoughtful post, DH. |
by Andrew on 24 July 2004 - 00:58 |
| Don't forget celery. |
by maxislooking on 24 July 2004 - 03:05 |
| Come on JanisNovak. Piffle on this Piffle on that... this was the decision of one guy a hundred years ago based on bias and the exclusion of his competion. This has nothing to do with any real reason, and just because it is written does not mean it is right, but every group has to exclude something out-of-hand, Piffle |
by JanisNovak on 24 July 2004 - 19:04 |
| The piffle comment was intended to be a joke, definitely not meant to offend. Sorry if anyone took it in a way I didn't mean. I'll have to be more clear on that. The standard is a living, breathing document. There ARE ways to change it, I'm sure. But until it is changed, we have to deal with both the constraints and freedoms that it offers. I still feel that if people want acceptance for long coated GSDs then they need to form an organization, start their own show cirucuit with their own written standards, etc. Maybe if it's a large group instead of just a number of individuals they will have better luck? JDN - US <--- still in awe of DH's post |
by Kougar on 24 July 2004 - 19:47 |
| BRAVO!!!!! D.H. I applaud you! I have tried over and over to espress these same ideas to both Brittany and Zuni in other threads and situations, but get accused of negativity and picking on them. After well over a year of reading the same themes over and over, I guess I am just more impatient and disgusted with these unrealistic and petulant subjects and comments all over the net. Perhaps you just have a better way with words or are more PC in your presentation, but I cannot aggree more and thoroughly support your statements! |
by Wolf on 24 July 2004 - 20:01 |
| Here here, DH! |
by ZVZW on 25 July 2004 - 09:43 |
| Hi you all! Hello Brittany, I dont often post on this board,but I can tell you this much,a very great man by the last name of Martin said it best. He not very often respected the man /person whom bought dogs,and showed them and won. He did respect the one whom would breed,strive,work hard to obtain their own goals,whatever that may be. Anyone can buy a dog, and win! Not often will you find one who will try and accomplish whay they see fit, and obtain a goal. Honestly I do wish you all of the LUCK in the world.Do not listen,nor pay attention to the ignorance of them. Take care |
ZVZW
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