Main > This is cruel!! (181 replies)
by Do right and fear no one on 17 July 2007 - 17:01
allaboutthedawgs: You are truly a gracious person, to take what I said and then be so understanding about my mistake. I mean that sincerly.
Many times I have starated typing something on here in response to the last post, and then by the time I hit the submitt button, my response and the post I was responding to, have several postings between them, and because I did not specifically address it to the full screen name of the person (sometimes I just start out my responses like "chill dude"), I make an enemy that I did not want.
I need to get a shorter screen name. Maybe "Me" or "T". That might help.
gsdfanatic1964: I do not know if you are married, but if you are, your spouse is a saint
dogabaris: First off, nice looking dog. Secondly, I believe that Muslims are like everyone else when it comes to the "laid back" followers and the zealots, Just like Christians that bomb abortion clinics, not to mention the Crusades, and those rteligious zealots that go around protesting at the funerals of dead American soldiers just because the U. S. accepts homosexuals. All religions have extremists. Unfortunately, I just believe that there is no other way for this situation to end, except in a winner and a loser. There is no chance for a peaceful outcome, IMO. But, of course, I am not God. If'en I was, I would have made everyone exactly like my wife (except me). It would have been boring after a while, but the world would be peaceful, organized and full of flowers everywhere. Of course I would have to eat take out a lot, as she is not that good at cooking..... (oops) there I go again, back to the dog house Mr.!
I have to hide this post when she comes in to the office
by gsdfanatic1964 on 17 July 2007 - 17:06
I'll be there with my dogs!
DRFNO, He is in his own mind .
by Don Corleone on 17 July 2007 - 17:09
I'll bring the squeeky toys!
by allaboutthedawgs on 17 July 2007 - 17:20
If he brings that spandex g-string I want pictures. There's a few bucks in it for you.
by gsdfanatic1964 on 17 July 2007 - 17:21
I've got the camera packed!
by sueincc on 17 July 2007 - 17:44
Dogabaris: Thanks for speaking up. I hope you know Desert Ranger does not speak for the majoritiy of people in the USA.
by 4pack on 17 July 2007 - 17:59
I agree with sueincc, that blather didn't even belong with the thread. The issue was the dog tied out. Sometimes I wonder how these threads get so twisted and off topic.
by dogabaris on 17 July 2007 - 23:04
First of all thank you for your all kind replies... I know that not all of you think that we're all bad :) As you say there are extremes in every relagion. I just tried to explain the situation from our view. And sadly i know that any of our conversation will not put the situation in a better position :/.
When i come to the picture, i can say that it could be photographed from any country... Yes i accept that in our country it is not a strange view from the regions who needs watch dogs. But it could be any region from any country which needs watch dogs for protaction.But also there are many of people who keep their dogs as pets or as sport dogs in their houses or in kennels around here.(for exampe i keep my dogs at home + garden and i sleep with my little girl :) you can see her in this site if you search as "pixie von tank" :D) It was not a commen view at past but you can easily see this kind of dogs when you come to Istanbul, Izmir, Ankara, Antalya, Bursa or any other cities in Turkey (for example we were in a open-air pub tonight, and one of my friends took her yorkie with her and unfortunately it attacked towards me :) ).
As an additional information about Turkey, we have an assotiation of german shepherd dogs and we just got 2 year of trial membership to WUSV. In the end of this process we hope that we'll get the full membership to WUSV.
by sueincc on 17 July 2007 - 23:13
Congratulations on your membership in the SV.
I agree, that picture could have been taken anywhere (including the USA). A tethered dog is not indicative of a mistreated dog by any stretch of the imagination. I am going to again bring up sled dogs. I am no expert, by any stretch of the imagination, but I know I have seen many pictures of them in their yards in the snow tied to their dog houses, all of them staked out. These dogs aren't being mistreated just because they are tethered.
by Blitzen on 17 July 2007 - 23:56
Most serious mushers keep anywhere from 50 to 75 dogs, some even more, at any given time. They are tethered to boxes or barrels and are not considered to be or treated like pets. They are working dogs bred for one thing, to run. Most do not need or desire human contact. This does not mean that they are not loved by their owners, it is just not the same type of love pet owners give to their housedogs or breeders give to their dogs. Some of you would consider the life of a working sleddog to be sad and cruel and that's not because they live their lives at the end of chains. Again, one end to the spectrum to the other. Dogs that wear clothing and ride in carriages vs dogs that either run fast or die fast. Which are happier? Beats me.There is a lot of controversy in the world of sled dogs regarding the way some mushers manage their dogs, how litters are culled, and what happens to those that do not cut it on a team. Some of these mushers are friends, so I'll not go there.
by Blitzen on 18 July 2007 - 02:15
Dogabaris, you Pixie is very pretty and she looks like an athletic and agile dog. Good luck with her.
by dogabaris on 18 July 2007 - 06:31
She was not at her best coat when the photo was taken, Yes she is prety athletic, in İstanbul championship she was at the 3rd place at the begining of the compatation but when they startred to trot, judge Hans Joachim - Dux puted her to the first place and he said "normally she deserves the 3rd place but these are working dogs so i put her in first place because of her performance"
Anyway this is not the subject of the title, excuse me and please go on :)
by Blitzen on 18 July 2007 - 13:13
The judge was right I think. Too many short legged, heavy bodied GSD's today. They are not athletic and agile enough to tend sheep 24/7. Keep up the good work in Turkey.
by dogabaris on 19 July 2007 - 10:07
You're invited if you'd like to see the developing in Turkey :)
This invitation includes all of you.
by Blitzen on 19 July 2007 - 13:50
Thanks for the invite, but I don't sit inside a moving plane for more than 2 hours .
by DesertRangers on 19 July 2007 - 23:29
Ok I have been gone all week but got back and skimmed thru all the posts and picked up the word hatred being used.
everyone needs to understand hatred has nothing to do with my defense of America and my position about Muslims. when attacked you have to defend yourself against the enemy period. i have nothing personal against Muslims nor do i hate them but i do regard the majority of them as enemies of America and the civilized world. if all the terrorists were some other religion or group i would state the need to defend ourselves against them. Again, my problem with all muslims is the very few who are speaking out the the terror. Plus as the terrorists live among them and they do not root them out leaves the impression that they approve of the terror. during the cruscades the catholic church did violence and yes that was wrong, I would have been against them too. Instead of calling me names people need to think and ask why are we not seeing more Muslims standing up against the terrorists?
i call people stupid because i really think they are acting that way. cruel people like hitler etc managed to gain power and control because the masses did not stand up and stop them. I see many of you acting the same way and not realizing being able to see the risk we are under. it is easy to think some people are not evil but that is a huge mistake. evil does exist.
As for muslims; once, if ever they stop their fellow muslims from committing terror then i would gladly break bread with them, in fact i keep hoping they will but so far remain very disappointed with them. I would love to be proved wrong but honestly dont think i am.
it bothers me to see our soldiers being killed when we have the ability and power to finish off the enemy but due to politicial correctness we are not being aggressive enough. At some point they will attack us again and once we are hit hard enough then we will step up the action and finish them off. When they do hit us again the sue the majority of American will call foe harsh measures!
by earthblues on 20 July 2007 - 08:18
right on !!!
by matthews3662 on 20 July 2007 - 18:57
Don't take it that far.
In my area it is a big deal all owners have to unchain dogs. dogs have to be in shady area with water and food at all times if that is where dog is going to be outside 24/7.
It prevents collars becoming embedded, excessive barking, lack of shade , chain becoming tangled, chain choking animal to death, animal dying from the heat, and ensures dog is getting enough attention and love by being part of the family every day.
And people being bit if say a child wonders off and get lost in someone else yard, heaven forbid.
An innocent thread since there is law's againist chaining dogs now.
The picture submitted by other user shows a huge hole where dog is trying to make shade and shelter is not good enough, and seems to be tangled away from shelter and it was just a question.
A dog can protect property if inside home. What can a dog do tied away from the home? Nothing. Just bark. Wonder if the homeowners are gone? Robber gets what he wants and leaves.
by matthews3662 on 20 July 2007 - 19:04
Unfortunely, dogs can't tell a person how it feels.
by Sunsilver on 20 July 2007 - 20:15
I don't like tieouts. Okay, it does depend on the circumstances. We tied our GSD out because we had no fence, and were renting. She was physically attached to the house, and could push the door open if she wanted in. Still, the potential was there for her hanging herself. (I was too dumb to realize this, only do so now after reading about it on these forums.) She got lots of human attention, and slept inside the house at night. She was never left outside when we weren't home.
My relatives on the farm tie their dogs or confine them when they go away somewhere. This is to protect the home, and to protect the dog from wandering off and becoming road kill, or worrying someone's livestock. The rest of the time, the dogs have freedom to come and go as they please. Most are allowed on the lower level of the house, especially in bad weather, others are not, but at least have a bed or doghouse somewhere where they can be warm and dry. (I fully understand not wanting a dog that's been running loose on the farm sharing my bedroom with me at night.)
My rescue...different story. Tied to an 8 ft. chain 24/7. Choke chain became embedded in his neck, and had to be yanked free. I assume a leather collar was put over top of the infected wound, because the collar stank so bad I had to throw it out after I brought him home. He had very little contact with people, as his owner worked long hours. After the owner's other dog died, he had no contact with other canines for three years. He also had no toys to play with other than the rocks which were buried in the sand around his dog house. He wore his teeth quite badly playing with those. Unlike the dog in this picture, at least he had shade, and there were no obstructions he could wrap his chain around that would prevent him from reaching his water dish or dog house. He was tied about 30 feet away from the house, so the only way he could protect the house was by barking an alarm, which isn't a lot of good if there is no one home to hear it. This was a home on a lake in the Gatineau area of Quebec, so the closest neighbours weren't near enough to see the house. I really don't understand the logic of keeping a dog in these conditions, and calling it a 'watchdog'. If you're going to have a dog for protection, fence your house, and put the dog in the yard, for pete's sake, so it can do a proper job of keeping intruders away from the house!! The owner eventually put a burglar alarm in the house, and said, since the dog no longer had a job, he was going to shoot it if no one wanted it as a pet. (And, of course, that was where I entered the picture, and took him home.)
I have a friend who is something of an expert in canine behaviour. She says dogs tied out and isolated from human contact. usually go one of two ways: they become vicious, and want nothing to do with humans, or they become starved for affection. Fortunately, Ranger went the other way. He's not clingy, just a real sucker for attention and petting. I took him to our church picnic on Sunday: kids running and screaming, crowds of people jammed into the picnic shelter during a thunderstorm. lots of noise. He loved every minute of it, though I had to warn the kids not to let him get too close to any of the balls they were playing with!