Main > DDR dogs, what is the difference between them and other shepherds (88 replies)
DDR dogs, what is the difference between them and other shepherds
by Lissa on 07 June 2007 - 20:04
|Hi, just curious as I ve seen ads for DDR dogs and wandered what the difference is between them and our German bred dogs? My friends dog was born in the u.k. out of German imported dogs, and his pedigree has the german style pedigree, and virtually all of the five generations of dogs all are V rated and have ScH 1,2 OR 3, which presumably means that the dogs can work, but they are also show dogs, for example Rikkor von Bad Boll and Ulk von Arlett are on the pedigree, so what is the difference between them if both types can work, and can DDR dogs be shown? Would like to find out a bit more! Lissa|
by 1doggie2 on 07 June 2007 - 20:22
by Alte Ahnen on 07 June 2007 - 20:23
Hope the link helps. http://www.ddrlegends.com/nobleheritage.html
In order for the dog's to have a koer rating or breed survey they have to be shown, so yes, the DDR GSD can be shown.
by DDR_SDG on 07 June 2007 - 21:33
|<>Lissa DDr dog were never show dogs and they were not even sport dogs (sch)They still are not if you see any in sport or show they do poorly. If some one wants a show or sch dog ddr should be the last choice|
by gsdlvr2 on 07 June 2007 - 22:03
|what would a DDR dog be first choice for?|
by DDR_SDG on 07 June 2007 - 22:20
|In East Germany (GDR) They were bred and used for police/ military protection. There was no sport. The original ddr trails were much different then any sport trail. People do title them in sport but the scrores are almost never that good. They just do not have the drives it takes to compete at a high level|
by joe t on 07 June 2007 - 22:46
|if that is so than how do you explain lord glesdrick. there ddr sdg 17 time bone seiger and im not sure on this but i think he won three times. now what about top ddr dogs know. i dont see iny west german lines our euopean lines with that kinda dosea!!! thanks joe t|
by joe t on 07 June 2007 - 22:59
|also ther ddr/sdg the west german lines are gdr the east german lines are ddr. if your gona knock ddr dogs get your facts right. thanks joe t|
by DDR_SDG on 07 June 2007 - 23:04
|How many dogs do you think there are. The % of dogs with high scores is so minimal. At best there were a good amount of ddr dogs the scored high in tracking only ob was very low. All my dogs are ddr but the truth is the truth. They are not great sport dog period. Sorry i don't know how long you have ddr dogs but people who had the from the begining know this nerve was always a problem. So links to what ever will not help.|
by joe t on 07 June 2007 - 23:18
|ddr /sdg do you know of eny 17 time boone and seiger dogs other than lord gleisdrick.? i havent heard of eny other dogs competeing 17 times at the boon and seiger. also two when it 3 times. well i havent herad of europen or west german . come on man. so what if they get bad obediance they get over the top prtection and tracking. lets get it right here!!! thanks joe t|
by Sunsilver on 07 June 2007 - 23:23
Someone please help me get a clue here....so the dogs that do so well in Schutzhund are usually West German working lines?
I was under the impression most dogs from what was formerly W. Germany were show lines, and the REALLY good working dogs came from DDR, Czech Republic, Hungary, etc.
by dawgma on 07 June 2007 - 23:30
" so what if they get bad obediance they get over the top prtection and tracking. lets get it right here!!!"
How do you think a dog can have no obediance and have good protection ?? how would you get the dog to out ?? Tracking is ALL about obediance.
Someone is feeding you bs about these dogs.
by joe t on 07 June 2007 - 23:37
|yes i agree. it kinda upset me when i seen ddr/sdg post. the east german ddr dogs are very good at protection ,tracking,obediance. i want to know how many dogs he comparing them two if he would answer my quistion about lord. just one dog ill shut up .but i havent heard a peep. i guees well leave sleeping dogs lye . one dog just name one dog!!!!|
by joe t on 07 June 2007 - 23:44
|lissa to answer your quistion .ddr dogs which are east german dogs. not mixed with west german or czech dogs .they will work and do recieve high scores . they if you would like some info on the history of ddr dogs www.ddrlegends.com :: Where the REAL Working Dogs Unite click on this link and it will take you there ther are some very nice people who can answer your quistions who are very nolagable on ddr dogs.there are some very good articles on the ddr dogs also on czech dogs thanks joet|
by trp_k9 on 08 June 2007 - 00:02
|AHH DDR Legends huh joe t.? The A** kissing forum, no wonder.|
by von symphoni on 08 June 2007 - 00:02
|another possibility of course is that ddr/sdg's dogs are not themselves good sport dogs, but perhaps they are also not a good representation of DDR dogs in general. Generalizations only work entirely well for small minded people who need boxes to be able to quickly, easily and thoughtlessly judge dogs because either they are a) lazy, b) lack knowledge, or c) unwilling or unable to learn/judge an individual on his/her own merits.|
by dawgma on 08 June 2007 - 00:03
A couple of things for you consider Joe,
The wall came down in 1989, all the real ddr dogs are deceased now and there will be no more, just descendants of these dogs. The originals may have been great but now it seems this type of dog is bred for sable color and head size, you wont see many that look like Lord did.
I doubt you could find any "ddr" dog these days that does well in any sport or anything else, they are usually purchased titled and just used for breeding machines to sell to people that are interested in a dog that looks like it could do the job, with very little in common with the dogs of the past.
by Uber Land on 08 June 2007 - 00:05
I have been told DDR lines are very slow to mature. it can take 3-4 years for the average DDR line male to come inmto his own. most sch. people do not want to wait that long. I have also been told that they lack the prey drive of the wg dogs and that makes them easier to live with pet wise. some can become quite civil and defensive.
You have both west german showlines along with working lines. same with DDR. there were showlines and working dogs
by joe t on 08 June 2007 - 00:17
|well dog mama were all decendents of somebody go figure who do you resemble in your familt mom dad or grand mom lets see so i guess theddr dogs of today are a new breed correct. if thats the case west german lines breed on a lower hip displasa this is because of the dogs in its past the east german lines are true to its ansestery with about 5% bad hips which czhech dogs from good lines from the origanal kennels of border patrol dogs. are about 5% this comes from there ansestry czech and ddr dogs are very true to there lines and have good head bone and pigmentaion. amercan sheperds are about 25%bad hips why is this. because they threw all the dogs in one pot and breed the heck out of them two what they thought it should look like. so thanks for the info buy the way when you look threw your scrap book of your family i bet you cant find not one that looks like you or had the same gebnes as you do!!!|
by DDR_SDG on 08 June 2007 - 00:28
|Many ddr dogs score in 260's -270's Ob has always been a problem Joe t you just don't know .|